Arsenal

[Martin]

Ma olen vist liiga kauaks päikese kätte jäänud aga mulle tunduvad Wengeri seekordsed avaldused sisaldavat krüpteeritud sõnumit. Kuidas näiteks lähevad kokku eilsed avaldused, et klubil mehi nagu muda ja kevadel antud lubadus olla turul jõuliselt aktiivne või aktiivselt jõuline? Mitte, et peaks minema kokku aga minu tehtud Wengeri psühhoanalüüs näitas küll veel mõni kuu tagasi, et ta elab võrdlemisi raskelt üle seda, mis veebruarist alates toimus. Ja et ta ei pea lahenduseks status quo säilitamist, koos Gervinho lisamisega.

me oleme sellest ju rääkinud

[SleepWalking]

me oleme sellest ju rääkinud

A nüüd on uus olukord. Mu meelest.

[coco]

Reaalselt. Varsti algab Arsene Wengeri ja Arsenali jaoks 7s kuulsusetu hooaeg järjest. Ka kõige suuremad Arsene'i apologistid hakkavad aasta-aastalt oma ebajumalas üha rohkem kahtlema.

Fiktiivselt. Kujutlege paralleeluniversumit, kus Arsene kulutaks ühes aknas 50M£. Ja kujutlege ette millised oleksid tagajärjed Arsene'i reputatsioonile ja positsioonile, kui sellisele ostuhullusele järgnev hooaeg lõppeks taaskord kuulsusetult.

Tulemus. Arsene intelligentse inimesena on oma olukorra väga hästi välja mänginud. Peale põhimõtteliselt iga-aastast suurkollapsi lubatakse esimese asjana frustreerunud fännidele aktiivsust mängijateturul ja vähemalt 2-3 arvestatava nime saabumist. Suve lõpuks on 2-3st saanud tavaliselt 1 ja aken sulgub Wengeri lohutustega, kuidas me mingitel erinevatel põhjustel ei saanud mängijat X ja Y, ning kuidas mängija Z, kes on just pikaajalisest vigastusest paranenud, on tehniliselt nagu uus ''signing''. Lisaks viidatakse staadionivõlale ja faktile, et isemajandava klubina teeme kõikidele konkurentidele silmad ette.

''Arsene-out'' brigaad muutub iga aastaga üha lärmakamaks. ''Arsene knows'' brigaad pöördvõrdeliselt hõreneb oma ridadelt. Aga Arsene teab. Ta teab, et tema parim võimalus karikaid võita ja samas ebaõnnestumise korral oma positsion säilitada, on riskides minimaalse mainekahjuga ning teha seda järgides kasumliku ettevõtte ostu-müügi poliitikaid.

[jukss]

[erxx]

Ehk kui erxx tahab kindlustada endale suuremat kogust talumaks uue hooaja valu, siis võin selli paki kõrvale ka ühe panna. Aga ka mul on tunne, et seekord toimub veel enne akna kinniprantsatamist midagi suuremat. Ja kui ei toimu, saate vähemalt septembris mõnitada.

Võtan vastu põhjusel, mida mainisid tsitaadi alguses, mitte lõpus.
Kordan siiski, et nõus olen sellega juhul, kui Cesc ja Nasri jäävad, vastasel juhul lihtsalt kehtetu kihlvedu.

[marv3llous]

Bendtner on väidetavalt ikkagist Dortmundi liikumas.

Jah, Fabianski on ikka veel katki, mistõttu jäi aasia reis ära.

[Katk]

OUT: Almunia, Squillacy, Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner (kuigi väga ei soovi ta lahkumist)
IN: Poominaatori tüüpi vanamees vol2, Baines, Sakho/Cahill, Jan Vertonghen/Fellaini

Minu süda oleks mingi taolise lahendusega rahul. Loodetavasti Rio saab tööloa ning hakkab meie eest lammutama. Rosicky sobib suuremate vigastuskriiside ajal katteks küll (eeldusel et ta terveks on), südames ihkaks veel näha teda mängimas nii nagu ta enne vigastusi seda tegi, Ramsey, Wilshere, Song, Cesc, Rosicky, Nasri keskväljal oleks täitsa korralik, kui lisataks veel üks belglane siis peaks ka Song jalad kõhu alt võtma. Ründeliin on täitsa korralik RvP ees, Chamakh varus ning Walcott/Gervinho/Arshavin/Nasri/Vela äärtel.

Aga kui nüüd FM'ist välja tulla siis me signime veel ühe mehe ning arvatavasti on kõik..

[Hogweed]

Gervinho on kvaliteetne ost, kuigi Cesci ja Nasri lahkumiseta ta ilmselt põhikoosseisu mees ei ole. Ja Downing vaevalt tuleb, palju meil neid wingereid ikka vaja, Ryo ka ju veel.

[Mask]

Mina näen küll Gervinhot Walcotti asemel algkoosseisus paremal ääres. Aga eks näis.

[Martin]

A nüüd on uus olukord. Mu meelest.

Nagu kuidas siis? Et raha on kuidagi liikuma hakanud?

Kujutlege paralleeluniversumit, kus Arsene kulutaks ühes aknas 50M£. Ja kujutlege ette millised oleksid tagajärjed Arsene'i reputatsioonile ja positsioonile, kui sellisele ostuhullusele järgnev hooaeg lõppeks taaskord kuulsusetult.

Mõju reputatsioonile oleks ligilähedane nullile ehk midagi ei muutuks. Vaata natuke selliste suurostjate ajalugu, kelle reputatsioon siis löögi on saanud? Kõik tublid poisid leiavad uue töökoha nagu nalja. Positsioon sõltub aga omanikest ehk seda ei anna ette ennustada.

Tulemus. Arsene intelligentse inimesena...Arsene...Arsene....Arsene

Miks ikkagi peatreener võtta saab? Nagu ta peaks selle raha enda taskust välja tõmbama ja luhvtitama. Nii palju, kui ma asjadest jagan, siis raha mängijate ostuks tuleb siiski vähe mujalt. Äkki peaks nende meeste/naiste poole vaatama ja rusikaga lauale põrutama, et kui kaua Arsenet nusserdatakse niimoodi ja tõmmatakse tühjaks, et ta peab iga hooaeg pooltoorikust kiikhobusid voolima?

[marv3llous]

Vaevalt, et Arsene kardab oma reputatsiooni pärast. Pigem ikka klubi heaolu on küsimuse all, ning kas talle ikka tegelikult ka võimaldatakse selliseid summasid mille eest me mehi loodame?

[Nohik]

'I don't think he is coming to United,' said Ferguson, 'that is all I can tell you. I think that he has agreed to go somewhere else.'
Nasri has gone on tour with Arsenal to Malaysia and manager Arsene Wenger has indicated he may keep the player for the final year of his contract, and thus risk losing him for nothing in 12 months' time.
'That is his decision,' said Ferguson. 'He is the manager. If he stands by that decision, it is a brave one. I don't know if the (Arsenal) directors will enjoy that one, but it is possible. Maybe he will have to stay.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1Rpt9tC49

Huvitav, sest Briti meedia on teda kogu aeg Unitediga seostanud.

[coco]

Nagu kuidas siis? Et raha on kuidagi liikuma hakanud?

Akna alguses räägiti vajadusel 50 miljoni olemasolust. Mitte et ükski Arsenali fänn eal nii naiivne oleks, et eeldaks sellise summa kulutamist.

Mõju reputatsioonile oleks ligilähedane nullile ehk midagi ei muutuks. Vaata natuke selliste suurostjate ajalugu, kelle reputatsioon siis löögi on saanud? Kõik tublid poisid leiavad uue töökoha nagu nalja. Positsioon sõltub aga omanikest ehk seda ei anna ette ennustada.

Mulle tundub, et Arsene'le täitsa meeldib seal Londonis. 15 aastat ja korduvad tööpakkumiste tagasilükkamised Itaalia ja Hispaania hiidudele nagu viitaks sellele. Lisaks £6M per year kooskõlas tema kultusstaatusega klubis on piisav motivatsioonipakett muretsemaks oma positsiooni pärast klubis.

Kui AW kulutaks homme 50 milkut ja näitaks kevadel tühju käsi, oleks fännide pahameel tõenäoliselt enneolematult kõrge ning lisaks ei oleks välistatud ''boardi'' fännide survel ajendatud peatreeneri rolli ülevaatamine. Lisaks, kui peakski kunagi juhtuma mõeldamatu ning AW peaks kinga saama, jääks alles võimalus tagasi vaadata ja heietada, kuidas oligarhhide ja sheikidega konkureerimine oli võimatu missioon.

Miks ikkagi peatreener võtta saab? Nagu ta peaks selle raha enda taskust välja tõmbama ja luhvtitama. Nii palju, kui ma asjadest jagan, siis raha mängijate ostuks tuleb siiski vähe mujalt. Äkki peaks nende meeste/naiste poole vaatama ja rusikaga lauale põrutama, et kui kaua Arsenet nusserdatakse niimoodi ja tõmmatakse tühjaks, et ta peab iga hooaeg pooltoorikust kiikhobusid voolima?

Ei oska nagu Gazidise, Eboue v Kroenke kallal võtta. Ma väga ei suuda välja mõelda legaalseid põhjuseid, miks juhtkond peaks valetama olemasolevate ressursside kohta ja fännide viimaste närvirakkudega meeleheitlikel aegadel mängima. Loomulikult ei ole välistatud, et juhtkond pole reaalselt kunagi lubatud summasid eraldanud ja Wengeril on kästud fännide ees lihtsalt udutamas käia. Kuigi mulle personaalselt imponeerib teooria Wengeri enda kitsikusest pisut rohkem. Ja tema potensiaalsete põhjuste jada on siiski suurem.

[jukss]

Arsene Wenger (pretending to be a jounnalist): So does Fabregas stay? We always answer this question...

Q: Why are you so confident that he will stay?

Arsene Wenger: I am confident because I hope he will see that there will be no greater achievement for him in his life than to lead this team to success and that it will not be the right period for him to leave the club.

Q: In one breath, you say 'confident' but in the next, you say 'hope'. There seem to be a few grey areas...

Arsene Wenger: I think Cesc has always been torn between his love for Arsenal that I feel is really genuine and, as well and what you can understand, the desire to play for the biggest team at the moment in the world. I think both exist in his head.

Q: Have you had a meeting with him since his return for pre-season training to discuss where his head and his heart are leaning?

Arsene Wenger: Yes. I cannot speak about the meeting but he knows that I want him to stay.

Q: He is under contract until 2015 so he technically cannot force his way out?

Arsene Wenger: No but you can only be in if you are completely in. He is the leader of the team. He has to be completely focused and convinced that he wants to stay.

Q: But even if he is not completely focused, Arsenal are not going to let him go unless they get what they feel is the right price for him?

Arsene Wenger: Yes. But we want to keep him and for us, it's not a question of money. We are not there to make the money. We are there to keep our best players. We manage well the club to be in a position to say 'No'. For any money.

We have that potential to do it because we are in a healthy financial situation. But on the other hand, you need as well the player wanting to be with you.

Q: That's clearly the issue, isn't it? You have to be convinced that Cesc, in his heart, wants to stay 100 per cent...

Arsene Wenger: I am convinced but I want him to be convinced. I am convinced. I am happy if he says, 'Yes, I stay.'

Q: Surely, he can only give his best on the pitch if he is committed 100 percent?

Arsene Wenger: Some people questioned his last season but I never question his commitment. This guy is a real winner and if he had not the expected season, it was down to injuries.

He played in some games where he was not right completely but he wanted to play, to win. You cannot question his desire to win or his commitment. Once he is on the football field, he wants to win.

Q: You are in a similar situation with Samir?

Arsene Wenger: No. Samir's situation is clear for me.

Q: He definitely stays, come what may?

Arsene Wenger: He stays.

Q: So if a club comes in with a big offer, knowing that he's in the final year of his contract, you will say, 'You're staying...'

Arsene Wenger: I've just told you that we are in a position where we can say 'No.'

Q: And you will, in the case of Samir?

Arsene Wenger: We will.

Q: You think that it is worth more to have Samir for one more season and risk losing him on a Bosman free next summer than to cash in now?

Arsene Wenger: Yes.

Q: That could be construed as a £20m gamble?

Arsene Wenger (smiling): You are the same people who reproach me for not spending, money and now you reproach me for wanting to spend it!

It is in the interests of the club - Fabregas is in No Man's Land. Imagine the worst situation - we lose Fabregas and Nasri. You cannot convince people you are ambitious after that.

And even if you lose Nasri, to find the same quality player, you have to spend again the same amount of money. Because you cannot say, you lose the player and you do not replace him. And if the other clubs come to take him, they have scouts all over the world as well but if they come to us...

In a few clubs who look for players, there is a big amount of money but they look for the players who are a cut above and these players are not easy to find today because they are already at big clubs and not available or nobody knows them at the moment.

Q: You clearly don't want to sell Cesc but it's been almost like a feeding frenzy with the Catalans saying, officially and unofficially, that they will get him for this amount and they will get him. Is there a message that you want to send to them, once and for all?

Arsene Wenger: Ha ha. You know what they do. I can only speak for ourselves. For us, it's not a question of money. It's a question of desire. We want Cesc to be with us but we want him as well to be happy with us.

I have heard people say that we do not want to keep Cesc. We are desperate to keep Cesc. And we will fight for everything because you do not educate a player for eight years as we have done only to want him to go once he is at an age to deliver. We want to keep the team together.

Q: The boldest official statement from Barcelona this summer came from the president Sandro Rosell when he said that Cesc was worth less now than what he bid for him last summer [€40m]?

Arsene Wenger: That is disrespectful to Cesc. I rate Cesc so highly that for me, he is top, top, world class. He is certainly in the top five midfield players in the world.

Q: In summary, if Cesc is not happy, you would let him go?

Arsene Wenger: I want him to be happy and to stay.

Q: But if he said he was unhappy...?

Arsene Wenger: That's the only way, he could get out. I don't think he's unhappy but he wants to go back to Barcelona. If we wanted to make a money situation and wanted to sell the player, we put him on the market and we ask 'Who gives more?' But that would not be the conversation.

For us, it's not a question of money. It is a question of Cesc wanting to be with us. And I think he is torn because he loves the club deeply. We will fight until the last second to keep him.

Q: How important is it you emerge from the window with a stronger and bigger squad?

Arsene Wenger: I believe for us it is important that the message we give out - for example you see about Fabregas leaving, Nasri leaving - if you give that message out you cannot pretend you are a big club.

Because a big club first of all holds onto its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they just cannot come in and take away from you.

We worked very hard with these players for years to develop them and now it's a time for us to keep them together.

And it's not just about the window because before it closes you have huge games like Man United, Liverpool, Newcastle and the two Champions League games.

For us it is important that the team settles psychologically as quickly as possible because we have a tough start. We play all the big clubs away in the first half of the season.

We play at Man U, we play at Chelsea, at Man City, at Tottenham. We just have Liverpool at home, I think.

Q: But does that start mean you are not going to play brinkmanship about the players coming in because there is such a tough challenge?

Arsene Wenger: I just want to see because at the start we will play security."

Q: No, I mean about getting players in because you might pay a little bit more to get them in because it is important to get them in early rather than leave it to deadline day.

Arsene Wenger: We have an advantage usually is we know how - because we play together for a few years - we do not need too much to work on our technical co-ordination because the players know each other well and I have a basic team in my head that can start the season.

It is important as well now to settle psychologically and that the players that are here focus on the season and not the transfer market. The players who are here as well will ask: 'will he go, will he go?' that is not the way to prepare for the season.

Q: Would a major signing not be convincing to the players who are ambivalent about staying?

Arsene Wenger: Well we are - what is very difficult for us is as long as you do not know this group stays together you cannot strengthen the team because you think if he goes I have to do what?

But I cannot really tell you (the transfer target) I want already because if he stays you cannot (come in). So you are in no-man's land, that is terrible. That is why the transfer period basically should stop when the training starts.

Q: So you need Fabregas to give you a quick answer before the season starts, one by this week?

Arsene Wenger: We have to stop at some stage you know. Cesc now comes back from a muscle injury he did during the break, but he is now coming back on the pitch, he practises today, so I hope we can close that very quickly (pause) in our favour.



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opin...#ixzz1RqjP8tRk

[Martin]

Akna alguses räägiti vajadusel 50 miljoni olemasolust. Mitte et ükski Arsenali fänn eal nii naiivne oleks, et eeldaks sellise summa kulutamist.

Clap, clap, clap, härra Part, nagu öeldakse. Kindlasti oli see veel ka arsenal.com lehel. Sellises kohas on teadagi puhas tõde ja mitte promointervjuud jms sitt.

Mulle tundub, et Arsene'le täitsa meeldib seal Londonis. 15 aastat ja korduvad tööpakkumiste tagasilükkamised Itaalia ja Hispaania hiidudele nagu viitaks sellele. Lisaks £6M per year kooskõlas tema kultusstaatusega klubis on piisav motivatsioonipakett muretsemaks oma positsiooni pärast klubis.

100% nõus, kuid ma usun ka, et Londonis on veel klubisid, kes teda palkaks. Kui just on nii suur soov seal olla ja leiab, et võid enam leivale ei jätku.

Ei oska nagu Gazidise, Eboue v Kroenke kallal võtta. Ma väga ei suuda välja mõelda legaalseid põhjuseid, miks juhtkond peaks valetama olemasolevate ressursside kohta ja fännide viimaste närvirakkudega meeleheitlikel aegadel mängima. Loomulikult ei ole välistatud, et juhtkond pole reaalselt kunagi lubatud summasid eraldanud ja Wengeril on kästud fännide ees lihtsalt udutamas käia. Kuigi mulle personaalselt imponeerib teooria Wengeri enda kitsikusest pisut rohkem. Ja tema potensiaalsete põhjuste jada on siiski suurem.

Kaks asja. Esiteks miks peaks valetama. Võib-olla ei valeta, et raha on olemas, tõenäoliselt ongi olemas, kuid tõenäoliselt on see olemas ka sellisel juhul, kui 50 milli tähendaks Messit ehk nagu rohkem teoorias. Ma olen alati kiitnud, et Arsenal on toredasti juhitud klubi, kus raha eriti ei põletata ja see peab tulema ülevalt, sest mitte ükski manager ei loobuks nt talveaknas võimalusest tiitel kindlustada. Et peatreener aga lõugama ei hakka ja uttu ei tõmba, näitab, et mõistetakse ja austatakse teineteist ning motiive ja juhtimiskultuuri. See on ainult hea.

Kui nüüd korraks tsiteerin ennast ja meenutan, et võrdlesin teid kunagi NE Patriotsiga (NFL). Nende loogika pole võita iga aasta tiitel, vaid olla iga aasta konkurentsis, sest see toob inimesed tagasi. Leia neli erinevust.

Teiseks. "... ja fännide viimaste närvirakkudega meeleheitlikel aegadel mängima." Mida perset? Meeleheitlikel aegadel? Viimaste rakkudega? Hürdolol ju.