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Gonna be a long one today...
So my guy has come back, and is now happy that what he was told was a one persons list of suggestions, which was eventually presented at yesterdays meeting (which he has confirmed happened as part of a multi-site conference call - the Head Scouts of each region were present, as was Fletcher in a "Guest" role, seemingly as a way to get a feel for the rooms reaction to him in a psuedo-"final-interview").
He says that based on what came out of that meeting, he is told that 5 signings are hoped for, with 3 being the "minimum acceptable number". Their are "top targets" for 4 positions (CB, CM, RW, RB) and that each of those has a backup that we've contacted as well to garner interest. The 5th possible signing would either be if a star goes, or in the case we sell a load of players Ole no longer wants (which is a lot) then we pick up a solid utility. How well we move on players will decide if we make the move for a 5th signing or not.
This genuinely sounds like they've actually got their shit together.
Warning; there's not much below that is new, and it parrots a lot what has already been said, but offers some additional logic to things.
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"Top Targets" (and Backups) are:
• Sancho (RW/LW - Dortmund) - He's not sure who the backup for RW is. Knows that we're after the Swansea lad James, but he won't be seen as an out-the-gates starter for a while. He thinks that the talk of Sancho being wary is slightly over-blown, but he might give Dortmund one more season, mostly for his own benefit as he has enjoyed being out of the English media spotlight (can't say I blame him). His agent has already told everyone else he's not interested so it sounds like it is literally "Us or Dortmund" now.
• Koulibaly (CB - Napoli) - We've apparently given up on Alderweireld, as it seems he wants to get a silly final contract from PSG or Juve and we don't want to match those. The likely backups right now are likely someone older that we'd try to loan from a club that is trying to move someone on for a younger face.
• Wan-Bissaka (RB - Crystal Palace) - Meunier is the backup option - but apparently we have an agreement with PSG already done in case we want to make the moves, and the "agent shite" is now finished too. He knows he's second choice. Wan-Bissaka is keen, it's now seemingly a matter of just how much Palace will try to bend us over on price. This could easily shoot up to the £50m mark if they want it to (they are no longer strapped for cash thanks to staying up). One possible spanner in this is that Nicky Butt has said he thinks we have options in the academy that should be promoted (Laird) and that any deal here would likely see us lose him to another team.
• CM Targets depend on whether Pogba wants to go or not. We've apparently set a deadline to players like himself and De Gea to tell us what they want to do. One thing he has said is that he knows we have reached out to Rabiot, and are not worried about his history as the belief is that PSG have blown it massively out of proportion. The other potential targets are Fernandes at Benfica & we also are supposedly keeping tabs on Madrid to see if they plan to move any CM's on, as all of theirs would improve us.
• No interest in Declan Rice whatsoever.
• No attempts going to be made to bring back any former players like Memphis (who Woodward is apparently still angry at himself for letting go at Mourinho's behest) and Zaha (who apparently has told his agent to basically tell us to go feck ourselves.....which is fair really).
• Nicky Butt is going to be getting a massive youth academy budget over the next 3 years to start snapping up young talent from around the country. Brexit (or lack of knowing what Brexit will actually look like ) is causing him a bit of concern as the rules on young player transfers is a minefield already, but not being able to look into signing EU Youth Players can potentially be quite harmful to us. He is also going to sit on the Transfer Committee as a "we already have a guy ready to go" sort of seat, which is good to hear to be honest.
• No current contingencies for a GK if De Gea says he won't sign a new deal are known of. Oblak is considered too expensive this season when other problem need solving first. So this could wind up proper fecking us if not careful.
• No mention of any strikers coming.
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Players Leaving
• Ole gave Woodward a list of names he wants gone during his final "interview" for the job when he was made permanent. The list was apparently massive and Woodward and he eventually agreed to narrow it down over the course of 2-3 years to avoid having too many in's and out's all this summer whilst they try to be a bit smarter about things. This would explain why Young, Smalling and Jones were given new deals, as they will simply be let go when their deals conclude (the feeling is they're not going to be worth much in a transfer fee, so replace them one-by-one every year in a more fluid and logical manner).
• Unless Pogba pushes for it (by handing in a formal transfer request and foregoing his signing on/loyalty bonuses), he isn't going anywhere for any price.
• Martial is going nowhere as Ole thinks he can turn him around and kick him on. He basically is on the "one more year" list, along with Lukaku and Lingard.
• De Gea contract situation causing a bit of a rift. Some people think we should just move on and try to get something for him, others are convinced we can get him to sign another deal if we push for it. Not known who is on what sides of that argument.
• Ole apparently fecking loves Marcos Rojo and see's him as a potential DM conversion...
• Those who are possibly on this years "list" are; Bailly, Mata (Free), Sanchez (looking to loan him off if no-one wants a permanent deal), Matic, Pereira (Free) and Darmian (free).
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Youth Updates
• Butt was present for the meeting and presented a list of players he believes are ready to train and play Senior games. Nothing too shocking; Tuanzebe, Garner, Laird, Gomes and Chong. Says that if needed we could also call upon Ramzani in League Cup games if we needed to, and thinks that several defensive options also could be used in that scenario.
• Callum Gribbin is leaving.
• Wants Greenwood to stay around first-team but due to his age is fearful of us throwing him to the wolves to soon and says that he deserves the right to be integrated properly.
• Fosu-Mensah likely going back to Holland or possibly Germany on a permanent deal. Ole wants the chance to see him train, but offers are coming in for him already as people expect his time at United is done.
• James Wilson (remember him!) is being released. Butt apparently believes that this was a huge failure on their part and they should be "ashamed" at how they blew it with him and Januzaj (Butt is VERY vocal still about how LVG fecked Januzaj up).
• Butt is trying to push the idea that we have 3 potential "World Class Keepers in the making" in our academy - Henderson (who will return on loan at Sheffield United), Kovář & Alex Fojtíček. Wants to see all three be given loans/realistic chances at the first team within the next 3/4 years. Henderson sooner.
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That's it for now. He said it's unlikely anything will be done In or Out until the week after the CL final to let the dust on everything settle, and to allow those with ultimatums to answer them. By the sounds of it, Nicky Butt has a LOT more say in things than we maybe realised, which might be why we've gone with a committee approach, and it's interesting that our regional scouting heads were also present (this might be a means of us looking to bring in foreign players before they get "found" earlier - that's my speculation though).
So my guy has come back, and is now happy that what he was told was a one persons list of suggestions, which was eventually presented at yesterdays meeting (which he has confirmed happened as part of a multi-site conference call - the Head Scouts of each region were present, as was Fletcher in a "Guest" role, seemingly as a way to get a feel for the rooms reaction to him in a psuedo-"final-interview").
He says that based on what came out of that meeting, he is told that 5 signings are hoped for, with 3 being the "minimum acceptable number". Their are "top targets" for 4 positions (CB, CM, RW, RB) and that each of those has a backup that we've contacted as well to garner interest. The 5th possible signing would either be if a star goes, or in the case we sell a load of players Ole no longer wants (which is a lot) then we pick up a solid utility. How well we move on players will decide if we make the move for a 5th signing or not.
This genuinely sounds like they've actually got their shit together.
Warning; there's not much below that is new, and it parrots a lot what has already been said, but offers some additional logic to things.
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"Top Targets" (and Backups) are:
• Sancho (RW/LW - Dortmund) - He's not sure who the backup for RW is. Knows that we're after the Swansea lad James, but he won't be seen as an out-the-gates starter for a while. He thinks that the talk of Sancho being wary is slightly over-blown, but he might give Dortmund one more season, mostly for his own benefit as he has enjoyed being out of the English media spotlight (can't say I blame him). His agent has already told everyone else he's not interested so it sounds like it is literally "Us or Dortmund" now.
• Koulibaly (CB - Napoli) - We've apparently given up on Alderweireld, as it seems he wants to get a silly final contract from PSG or Juve and we don't want to match those. The likely backups right now are likely someone older that we'd try to loan from a club that is trying to move someone on for a younger face.
• Wan-Bissaka (RB - Crystal Palace) - Meunier is the backup option - but apparently we have an agreement with PSG already done in case we want to make the moves, and the "agent shite" is now finished too. He knows he's second choice. Wan-Bissaka is keen, it's now seemingly a matter of just how much Palace will try to bend us over on price. This could easily shoot up to the £50m mark if they want it to (they are no longer strapped for cash thanks to staying up). One possible spanner in this is that Nicky Butt has said he thinks we have options in the academy that should be promoted (Laird) and that any deal here would likely see us lose him to another team.
• CM Targets depend on whether Pogba wants to go or not. We've apparently set a deadline to players like himself and De Gea to tell us what they want to do. One thing he has said is that he knows we have reached out to Rabiot, and are not worried about his history as the belief is that PSG have blown it massively out of proportion. The other potential targets are Fernandes at Benfica & we also are supposedly keeping tabs on Madrid to see if they plan to move any CM's on, as all of theirs would improve us.
• No interest in Declan Rice whatsoever.
• No attempts going to be made to bring back any former players like Memphis (who Woodward is apparently still angry at himself for letting go at Mourinho's behest) and Zaha (who apparently has told his agent to basically tell us to go feck ourselves.....which is fair really).
• Nicky Butt is going to be getting a massive youth academy budget over the next 3 years to start snapping up young talent from around the country. Brexit (or lack of knowing what Brexit will actually look like ) is causing him a bit of concern as the rules on young player transfers is a minefield already, but not being able to look into signing EU Youth Players can potentially be quite harmful to us. He is also going to sit on the Transfer Committee as a "we already have a guy ready to go" sort of seat, which is good to hear to be honest.
• No current contingencies for a GK if De Gea says he won't sign a new deal are known of. Oblak is considered too expensive this season when other problem need solving first. So this could wind up proper fecking us if not careful.
• No mention of any strikers coming.
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Players Leaving
• Ole gave Woodward a list of names he wants gone during his final "interview" for the job when he was made permanent. The list was apparently massive and Woodward and he eventually agreed to narrow it down over the course of 2-3 years to avoid having too many in's and out's all this summer whilst they try to be a bit smarter about things. This would explain why Young, Smalling and Jones were given new deals, as they will simply be let go when their deals conclude (the feeling is they're not going to be worth much in a transfer fee, so replace them one-by-one every year in a more fluid and logical manner).
• Unless Pogba pushes for it (by handing in a formal transfer request and foregoing his signing on/loyalty bonuses), he isn't going anywhere for any price.
• Martial is going nowhere as Ole thinks he can turn him around and kick him on. He basically is on the "one more year" list, along with Lukaku and Lingard.
• De Gea contract situation causing a bit of a rift. Some people think we should just move on and try to get something for him, others are convinced we can get him to sign another deal if we push for it. Not known who is on what sides of that argument.
• Ole apparently fecking loves Marcos Rojo and see's him as a potential DM conversion...
• Those who are possibly on this years "list" are; Bailly, Mata (Free), Sanchez (looking to loan him off if no-one wants a permanent deal), Matic, Pereira (Free) and Darmian (free).
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Youth Updates
• Butt was present for the meeting and presented a list of players he believes are ready to train and play Senior games. Nothing too shocking; Tuanzebe, Garner, Laird, Gomes and Chong. Says that if needed we could also call upon Ramzani in League Cup games if we needed to, and thinks that several defensive options also could be used in that scenario.
• Callum Gribbin is leaving.
• Wants Greenwood to stay around first-team but due to his age is fearful of us throwing him to the wolves to soon and says that he deserves the right to be integrated properly.
• Fosu-Mensah likely going back to Holland or possibly Germany on a permanent deal. Ole wants the chance to see him train, but offers are coming in for him already as people expect his time at United is done.
• James Wilson (remember him!) is being released. Butt apparently believes that this was a huge failure on their part and they should be "ashamed" at how they blew it with him and Januzaj (Butt is VERY vocal still about how LVG fecked Januzaj up).
• Butt is trying to push the idea that we have 3 potential "World Class Keepers in the making" in our academy - Henderson (who will return on loan at Sheffield United), Kovář & Alex Fojtíček. Wants to see all three be given loans/realistic chances at the first team within the next 3/4 years. Henderson sooner.
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That's it for now. He said it's unlikely anything will be done In or Out until the week after the CL final to let the dust on everything settle, and to allow those with ultimatums to answer them. By the sounds of it, Nicky Butt has a LOT more say in things than we maybe realised, which might be why we've gone with a committee approach, and it's interesting that our regional scouting heads were also present (this might be a means of us looking to bring in foreign players before they get "found" earlier - that's my speculation though).
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