Manchester United FC

[Linnupoja]

Markovic - 20 miljonit.
Balotelli - 16 miljonit
Carroll 30 miljonit, müüdi 15ga.
Spearing - Tasuta akadeemiast.

Miinus 51 miljonit. Ikka ei anna Fredi kokku, kui te just ei suuda teda miljoni eest maha müüa. A.ka proovi uuesti.

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Omale, vari checki läbi vms

[JuriM]

Markovic - 20 miljonit.
Balotelli - 16 miljonit
Carroll 30 miljonit, müüdi 15ga.
Spearing - Tasuta akadeemiast.

Miinus 51 miljonit. Ikka ei anna Fredi kokku, kui te just ei suuda teda miljoni eest maha müüa. A.ka proovi uuesti.

Banter on tore. Aga ma loodan, et sa mõistad maailma majandust paremini, mõte oli ikka selles - alati ei saa klubid "bang for the bucks" iga ostu korral. Fred on ilmselgelt olnud flop, samuti nagu olid need mainitud mehed/poisid teie jaoks toona.

[mcnamara]

Banter on tore. Aga ma loodan, et sa mõistad maailma majandust paremini, mõte oli ikka selles - alati ei saa klubid "bang for the bucks" iga ostu korral. Fred on ilmselgelt olnud flop, samuti nagu olid need mainitud mehed/poisid teie jaoks toona.

Carroll ei olnud flopp. Kevadel 2012 oli temaga päris vahva. Ma ei tea, kas teie poisil saab olema midagi sellist ette näidata.
Four days later, he headed in another late winner, this time in a 2–1 victory against Everton in the FA Cup semi-final in Wembley, to take Liverpool through to the final on his 50th appearance for Liverpool. Carroll described his match-winning goal as "the best feeling ever", with teammate Jamie Carragher saying the goal was "worth £35 million in itself" and that Carroll would "be remembered forever".

[Linnupoja]

Carroll ei olnud flopp.

Mingi next level vend peab olema, et sellist asja öelda. Siin on prillidest asi kaugel peab midagi tõsisemat viga olema.. Troll ka nagu ei tundu. Amazing.

[toi]

Asjalik artikkel Unitedi (ja Evertoni ja Stõugi) hädade kohta:

https://theathletic.com/1273500/2019...-is-in-charge/

“It’s a journey we’ve started on and the culture is getting there. I can’t give you any time, but we’re getting there” (Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)

“Things will change for us” (Marco Silva)

“The owners ask me every Thursday, ‘What do you need?’ and I say, ‘Just give me time.’ That’s all I ask for – and we will change it.” (Nathan Jones)

They can’t all be right, can they? In fact, judging by the evidence of recent months, you would have to say their confidence is wholly misplaced.

Since that exhilarating Champions League victory away to Paris Saint-Germain in early March, which as good as convinced the board to make his appointment permanent, Solskjaer has led Manchester United to just four wins in 17 Premier League matches. Silva’s Everton lie in the Premier League’s relegation zone after four consecutive defeats. Stoke’s 2-1 win away to Swansea on Saturday was only their fourth in 31 Championship games since Jones’s arrival.

Listening to Jones’s post-match interviews on Saturday evening, you could not help but be struck by the strength of his conviction. He spoke from the heart about the defeatist environment he walked into last January – “a culture of blaming and not really caring” – and the monumental effort it has taken behind the scenes to try to change it. “And I think you saw today it’s starting to turn,” the former Luton Town manager said.

A turning point? We shall see. In the build-up to that game at Swansea, with Jones’s team rooted to the bottom of the table, Stoke’s board, historically a patient lot, had been reluctantly drawing up plans for their fourth managerial change since the start of 2018.

Victories over Nottingham Forest and Blackburn Rovers last spring turned out to be blips, rather than turning points. How can they be certain that this one will be different?

Much of the time, when clubs appoint a youngish manager — Jones is 46, Silva 42, Solskjaer 46 — they do so in the belief that some combination of youthful vigour and fresh ideas will turn a stale, dysfunctional team and club into a vibrant, progressive one. The theory is a seductive one. For those Manchester United, Everton and Stoke players and fans worn down by the attritional football played under Jose Mourinho, Sam Allardyce and Gary Rowett, the appeal was obvious.

Of course they need time. These were not appointments made with short-term fixes in mind. “Rome wasn’t built in a day,” as Solskjaer mused last month.

Something keeps nagging, though. Results should pick up at United and Everton sooner rather than later – they could hardly be much worse – but is there anything in Solskjaer’s or Silva’s background, or in the work they have done so far at those clubs, that suggests they are the men to oversee rebuilding long-term operations of the scale they have been entrusted with?

Everton became fixated with Silva after sacking Ronald Koeman two years ago and were undeterred even when his Watford tenure unravelled in an alarming manner (five points from his final 11 Premier League games). At Everton, despite some eye-catching additions to a squad that has talent and depth (if not balance), he has won just 17 of 47 league games so far. For all his talk of a process, it is not still entirely clear, 16 months after his appointment, how he wants Everton to play.

As for Solskjaer, we certainly know how he wants his team to play because, unlike predecessors Mourinho and Louis van Gaal, he is in thrall to the traditions laid down by Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson. His press conferences have become like a game of Manchester United bingo: “playing without fear”, “taking the game to the opposition, always believing in yourself,” “pace and tempo going forward”, “young players”, “players that excite the fans and get them off their seats”.

But — how to put this? — have you watched them play over the seven months since the new-broom effect wore off?

As disconcerting as results undoubtedly have been, performances, like that against Newcastle United on Sunday, have frequently been even worse. So little energy, so little fluidity, so little imagination, so little killer instinct — so worryingly different to the feelgood factor that briefly took hold when Solskjaer first arrived.

Even at the time, the impact Solskjaer made upon his arrival last December should have been recognisable as a classic short-term uplift. He deserved much credit for the way he changed the mood because the improvement in performances and results was spectacular, but at that time, the board should have been digging deeper and trying to work out whether there was more to this than the classic “caretaker-manager bounce”.

Former Manchester United midfielder Paul Ince went a little too far when, flying against the popular mood last February, he said that “anyone” could have done what Solskjaer had done by lifting spirits and improving results after Mourinho’s departure – but only a little.

The points Ince raised, saying this was the “easy” part of the job and urging United not to be too “hasty” in appointing Solskjaer on a permanent basis, were far more sensible than any that you could imagine being raised at the time by the various football philistines in the club’s boardroom before they rushed to sign him on a three-year contract.

Every argument in support of Solskjaer proposes that he needs time – much more time – and money, too. Gary Neville proposes that his former team-mate needs “three or four transfer windows” to rebuild. Ryan Giggs suggests four or five big signings would do the trick.

Doesn’t this suggestion require quite a leap of faith, though? It implies there is nothing wrong with United that a coherent transfer strategy and another few hundred million pounds could not sort out. It seems to take for granted that Solskjaer, as a visionary, motivator and coach, has all the answers United need.

As this column has argued previously, the real problems at Old Trafford stem from the Glazers’ ownership and the repeated failures of Ed Woodward to come up with any kind of rational plan in more than six years since Ferguson’s retirement. But was the Solskjaer appointment really part of a new masterplan that will restore United to greatness? Or was it just another knee-jerk reaction from an executive vice-chairman whose judgement, when it comes to football decisions, has consistently been appalling?

If all it took to turn things around was a certain number of transfer windows, Van Gaal would have done it. Mourinho would have done it. Silva, having had three of them, would have Everton in the top six by now, taking advantage of the early-season turmoil that has engulfed United and Tottenham Hotspur.

There have been strategic shortcomings at both United and Everton over recent years. Both have spent wildly, far too easily influenced by agents. And now, because of the number of mistakes made, the conventional wisdom is that stability and patience are what is needed in order to get things back on track. That sounds perfectly sensible in theory, but, again, it requires a certain belief both in the quality of the decision-making at the clubs in question and in the ability of the managers.

This is not like questioning Pep Guardiola towards the end of a challenging first season at Manchester City, as some did, or Jurgen Klopp when he was building relatively slowly in his first years at Liverpool.

Both had proved previously they were top-class managers, with few equals when it came to developing teams and players. That did not guarantee they would succeed in the Premier League but there was plenty, both in the past and the present, to suggest that patience would be rewarded, particularly given the wider vision and structure at the two clubs in question.

There can be no such certainty with Solskjaer or with Silva when, from one week to the next, the evidence on the pitch continues to cause concern. The sensible thing, in normal circumstances, is to call for patience and to state the importance of adhering to a long-term vision rather than impulsive reactions. Another mid-season managerial change, with all that would come with it, is not desirable.

It does feel, though, that a succession of knee-jerk reactions, flavour-of-the-month decisions and flights of fancy are precisely what have brought United and Everton to this point. Both Solskjaer and Silva need time, as does Jones at Stoke. But when the vision is so blurred and the thinking remains so muddled, time is not always the healer that a beleaguered manager will suggest.

Solskjaer calls it a journey, which it is. But when it looks unplanned, with a questionable crew, it comes with no guarantee of reaching the intended destination, or even getting close to it.

[mcnamara]

Carroll oli flopp.

Ela selle tõega siis edasi.

[Linnupoja]

Alexis oli ka hea signing, ta lõi arsenali vastu karikas ühe värava!

[cbulls13]

Fredi through passidest. Kellele?

[JuriM]

Mingi jutt, et Pogbal on varbas mõra ja peab pikema pausi tegema.. 😭

[vtp]

Mingi jutt, et Pogbal on varbas mõra ja peab pikema pausi tegema.. 😭

Seda saabast vaadates ei tundu reaalne:

[ElNino9]

Seda saabast vaadates ei tundu reaalne:

Nii koledasti ei pea ka Pauli kohta ütlema

[magicm]

Pigem vist ikka see sama hüppeliiges. Varba jutud tulid kõik tabloididelt, aga eks see järgmine laupäev näha ole.

[Tofoa]

Mis see on üldse? Fap like nobody's watching?

Klassikaline jõusaali harjutus "battle ropes". Tehniline ja füüsiline sooritus on igal juhul Pauli puhul muljetavaldav.

[Mõnuagent 007]

Ela selle tõega siis edasi.

44 mänguga kuus kolli. Huvitav fenomen, kuidas mcn muudab end enda peas abs. tõeks. Nagu trump juba.