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Või ma saan millestki valesti aru praegu?
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um.. aga kui matic keskel alustab - keegi CB saab vigastada - Matic vahetab positsiooni?
Või ma saan millestki valesti aru praegu?Amorim <3 -
Selles suhtes, et vahet ju ei ole. United oleks selle mängu niikuinii pähe saanud, isegi kui Olel oleks olnud võimalus 3:0 muuta tagasi 0:0 peale ja teha seejärel su palutud 30. minuti vahetused. City oli lihtsalt nii üle.
Positiivne ongi vist ainult see, mida O'Shea mängujärgselt ütles: "I think it might give Ole the chance of going to the board to say, 'I need a bit more help with this squad'." Äkki saab uute mängijate osas lihtsamini jutule.Kommentaar
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Mina sain asjast nii aru: Lingard ja Martial olid haiged ja seega heal juhul poolvalmis mänguks. Lingardiga riskiti ja alustas, Martial oli pingil. Maguire ei olnud mänguvalmis, seega alustasid keskkaitses Lindelöf ja Jones. Kuna tegemist ikka Cityga, kes oli veidi haavatud loomana seoses eelmise omavahelise mänguga ei tasunud mingi noorte satsist toodud 18 aastase keskkaitsjaga riskima.Algselt postitas Linnupoja Vaata postitust
Keskele oli valikud: Fred + Andres või Andres + Matic või Fred + Matic. Valiti neist esimene ja alustati Maticiga pingil, sest teoreeritliselt oli ta ainus mees kes oleks olnud vajadusel võimeline asendama kas kedagi kontrollivatest poolikutest või keskkaitsjatest. Teised pingi mängijad olid kõik ründava suunitlusega või äärekaitsjad. (Martial, Mata, Dalot, Chong, Gomes).
Mindi riskile, et Matic alustab pingilt ja poolvalmis Lingard alg 11s, kahjuks see ei vedanud välja ja olime 3-0 taga ning tehti vahetus ja riskiti, et kui kontrollivatest poolikutest või keskkaitjatest keegi välja langeb, siis vaadetakse edasi.Kommentaar
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Ma nagu saan jutust aru. Aga ma ei saa sellest kaitsjate pingil olemise jutust aru.Algselt postitas JuriM Vaata postitust
Näiteks alustad Matic+Fred. ---- kaitsja saab vigastada ----- Jones välja + Pereira sisse ----- Pereira liigub keskele ja Matic kaitsesse?Amorim <3Kommentaar
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Viimased aasta aegaAlgselt postitas JuriM Vaata postitust"Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. But it never really works out that way." SAFKommentaar
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Esimese lõigu suhtes - noh jah, vast sul õigus. Siiski oleks tore olnud näha reaktsiooni.Algselt postitas United Vaata postitust
Teise lõigu suhtes - Ole enda jutu põhjal ei ole kunagi olnud probleem selles, et juhatus teda ei toeta. Alati on olnud raha ja kõik olemas - lihtsalt ei ole sobivat mängijat leitud.
Eilegi ütles ju, et ainult siis tuleb mingi lüke kui on "see õige" kusagil olemas aga muidu mitte. Ma ei tea, keda ta ootab - ma ise usun, et Messi lõpetab karjääri Bartsas siiski...
Van Der Sar saved it, United again!Kommentaar
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Athletic, täpsemalt Daniel Taylor, kirjutas enne mängu Liverpooliga loo , kuidas nüüd Unitedi mängijate ostmine käib, kel võimalust siis tasub lugeda pikemalt, aga näiteks Wan-Bissaka ostmine käis väidetavalt nõnda
Aaron Wan-Bissaka’s £45 million transfer from Crystal Palace is a typical case.
That process began with Solskjaer informing the club they needed a new right-back and going into specific details about the qualities he wanted, namely somebody who had sound defensive attributes, high energy and an ability to attack with pace as well as having the speed to guard against counter-attacks.
To begin with, United’s analysts brought up 50 players from their database. That number was subsequently whittled down to a longlist comprising 15 options, and the club’s senior scouts were then dispatched to carry out detailed analysis on each player, putting together information packs and updating Solskjaer via regular feedback sessions. Eventually, the club had a shortlist of three. That was the time Matt Judge, the head of corporate development, started the negotiations with the relevant clubs (United’s logic being that it is better to have back-up options in case the first-choice player is unobtainable).
Judge, like Woodward, has a background in investment banking. He stands over 6ft tall and has the physique of a man who knows what it is like to be locked in a rugby scrum. You will struggle to find a photograph of him though. He has a remarkably low profile, especially when it is he, not Woodward, who acts as United’s chief negotiator to get these kind of deals over the line.
He and Woodward accept they will usually have to pay what they call a “Manchester United premium” — Maguire, at £80 million, being the case in point. That can make the negotiations extremely complicated at a time when it has never been harder, even for experienced football administrators, to know what is realistic as a player valuation, and what is not."Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. But it never really works out that way." SAFKommentaar
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Tõe huvides tuleb mainida, et KDB lammutas juba 21-aastaselt Bundesligas Bremeni eest. Mõni päev pärast 23. sünnipäeva lõi MM-i kaheksandikfinaalis värava ja oli üldse turniiril üks oma meeskonna võtmefiguuridest.Algselt postitas Linnupoja Vaata postitustKommentaar
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Ehk siis ManU ostab täpselt samamoodi mängijaid, nagu iga teine tippklubi. Või mis selles kirjelduses sellist oli, mida varem ei tehtud või teised ei tee?Algselt postitas Raitsu Vaata postitustKommentaar
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Varem olime ajast maas, käis kõik läbi pääliku.Algselt postitas check Vaata postitust
That process can involve up to nine months of background work on certain players and, in terms of sheer numbers, sources have told The Athletic that United’s scouts and analysts watched approximately 13,800 games (academy fixtures included) in the last year of records. That’s an average of 38 per day, with scouts in more than 30 countries putting together 36,000 reports for the club’s database.
Perhaps the most eye-catching detail — never reported until now — is that United have also begun to involve what have been described as “spying firms” to carry out background checks on potential signings.
It’s a remarkable story: the famous Manchester United employing secret operatives to investigate the players they are trying to sign. Though it becomes easier to understand, perhaps, when you hear what happened with Marcos Rojo in 2014. Rojo cost £16 million from Sporting Lisbon, signing a five-year contract, yet United had absolutely no idea the player was being investigated by police for an alleged bottle attack on one of his neighbours, as well as a second man, in Argentina.
Rojo was facing the possibility of a criminal trial and, if convicted, time in prison, but United knew nothing about it until a member of staff typed his name into Google. After he had signed. To their relief, Rojo settled out of court and the case was dropped.
Due diligence is key now. The more astute clubs want as much background information as possible and, in United’s case, that is particularly important bearing in mind the staggering amounts of money they have squandered on Angel Di Maria, Radamel Falcao and Alexis Sanchez, among others.
After so many years of relying on old-fashioned techniques, one of the bigger challenges was moving away from a culture in which Ferguson ruled the roost, with the manager’s brother, Martin, operating as the club’s chief European scout and, Fergie being Fergie, the benefits that come from having the best contacts book in football.
Another 45 scouts have been added to the staff in the six years since Ferguson’s retirement and the club also place far greater emphasis now on the kind of computer data that can provide more detail than the human eye. That heavily influenced their thinking, for example, when Jerome Boateng was under consideration.
Boateng would have cost £13.1 million from Bayern Munich and, on the face of it, that was an attractive deal for a defender who had won seven Bundesliga titles, accumulated 70-odd Germany caps and been part of their 2014 World Cup win.
Harry Maguire, in contrast, ended up costing United more than six times that amount. Yet United had bought players on the cheap from Bayern before — Owen Hargreaves and Bastian Schweinsteiger — and regretted it.
They suspected there might be a catch and their in-depth analysis, using bespoke software, showed them what Bayern presumably hoped would go unnoticed: that Boateng tended to fade after 70 minutes of games, not running as far, or as fast, not making as many challenges or interceptions and becoming increasingly vulnerable to quick attackers.
United already knew Boateng had recurring injury issues and decided they already had enough centre-halves who fell into that particular category. All of which seems considerably more sensible than the decision to sign Schweinsteiger on Louis van Gaal’s watch in 2015, when there was the same underlying suspicion then, too, that Bayern would never let such a player leave unless they thought he was finished at the highest level.
Schweinsteiger signed for £14.4 million and had two largely forgettable years at Old Trafford. He made eight 90-minute appearances in the Premier League and, troubled by a variety of injuries, had a habit of flying back to Germany for treatment during the week, reappearing at weekends to watch games and then jetting off again. One senior player said he felt like Schweinsteiger was “taking the piss, absolutely taking the piss… we hardly ever saw him.”
Van Gaal had arrived at a time when United were still trying to modernise their recruitment structure. Schweinsteiger, as such, was signed purely on the manager’s say-so. Privately, United say there is no way they would make the same mistake again."Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. But it never really works out that way." SAFKommentaar
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On tasuline, aga asub siinAlgselt postitas JuriM Vaata postitustViitsid viska lingid ka, ei viitsi hetkel otsida
"Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. But it never really works out that way." SAFKommentaar
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Lisaks sellele mis Raitsu välja tõi on erinevus sellel, et Manul on väga head negotiatorid, kes suudavad alati 25+% kallima diili välja kaubelda võrreldes teiste tippklubidega. Vaadake näiteks Manu vs ManCity kallimate mängijate nimekirja.Algselt postitas check Vaata postitust
Saan aru, et palka peab rohkem maksma, sest miks peaks mängija muidu tahtma Euroopa liigas mängida. Aga klubide vahelisi summasid mõjutab küll ainult sitt kauplemis oskus. Jaburalt naljakas, et aksepteeritakse, et nad 'peavadki maksma Unitedi preemiumi'. Samal ajal kui teised tippklubid toovad palju odavamalt Talenti sisse.
Harry peaks hinnasildi poolest olema maailma parim kaitsja. Reaalsuses mängib nagu top100 piiripeal. Võta suvaline jolle kusagilt premmi keskmikust ja on praktiliselt sama mängija. Rääkimata mis tasemel mehi on hispaania, saksa või itaalia liigas olemas 3-4x odavama hinnaga.Kommentaar
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