Moggi-saaga + Calcioscommesse + misiganes järgmine pauk

[Tanel]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Põhimõtteliselt küsis Facchetti väljas olevas kahes kõigepealt korraliku kohtuniku ning siis mõni päev enne mängu sai kohtuniku nime ka teada. Vist natukene enne \"tähtaega\". Aga pöidlad on peos, et see on ka ainuke asi, mis lekiks. Aga see Pairetto on ikka imelik sell...

[Jasper]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Algselt postitas Tanel


Põhimõtteliselt küsis Facchetti väljas olevas kahes kõigepealt korraliku kohtuniku ning siis mõni päev enne mängu sai kohtuniku nime ka teada. Vist natukene enne \"tähtaega\". Aga pöidlad on peos, et see on ka ainuke asi, mis lekiks. Aga see Pairetto on ikka imelik sell...

Eino Mancini pani selle järgi taktika paika ja tänu sellele tuli 5-1 võit.

Ei tegelikult kuskil juba kõlasid sõnad, et kõik on mingil-määral seotud ja süüdi. Kui mitte otseselt siis vähemasti süüdi teise külje pööramises. Aga jah vaevalt Interile mingeid karistusi rakendatakse selle põhjal. Analoogselt Milanile. Oota, kas mitte Facchetti ei olnud mees, kes selle asja \"algatas\"?

[Jasper]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Algselt postitas Raix


Tänane ÄP: Juventuse skandaal raputab MMi künnisel Itaalia jalgpalli
[i]

Äripäeva artikkel on päris normaalne. Huvitav on aga, et pole ära mainitud Juve maksupettuse kahtlusi. Berlusconi ja Mediaseti kohta tuleb öelda veel, et Juvel on lepingu kohaselt Serie B-sse langemise korral kibedad trahvid.

Muuseas meediahuvi hetkel on muidugi tipus. Gazzetta müüginumbrite kohta lugesin, et need on tõusnud 50 000 eksemplari päeva kohta. Märgin siinkohal, et tegu on vaid ühe ajalehega. Biscardi taandus ka oma show\'st suure pauguga.

[midfielder]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Ja siin FIFA pomo arvamus kogu loost http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=388712&CPID=21&clid=128& lid=8&title=Blatter:+Game\'s+biggest+scandal

[eika]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Vot sellise loo leidsin. Midagi väga uut ei ole, aga suhteliselt ilusti võtab praeguse seisu kokku minu meelest.

MOGGI’S OCTOPUS

Giulio Andreotti, who was prime minister of Italy on seven different occasions, summed it up best when he said: “Thinking the worst of others is a sin ... but often it’s also the right thing to do.”

Many Italians had always thought ill of the “bianconeri”, particularly since the arrival – 10 years ago – of general manager “Lucky” Luciano Moggi and chief executive Antonio Giraudo. They believed Juve were favoured by referees, that they used their size to influence smaller clubs and got an unreasonably large slice of the television pie. Yet, most saw it as not much different to the kind of treatment big clubs everywhere enjoy . And using one’s clout to consolidate power within a league was, again, simply skillful diplomacy.

Over the last few weeks, however, it has been claimed that Juve’s dominance was far more sinister. Indeed, it has been alleged that Moggi and Giraudo set up a system of influence and corruption whose tentacles reached everywhere, a structure based on threats, intimidation and patronage whose main purpose was to favour Juventus and their allies.

And now that Moggi’s “octopus” (as it has come to be known) has been exposed, the consequences have rocked the Italian game to its foundation. The top two officials in the Football Association have been forced to resign, as has the Italian FA’s chief investigator. Six referees have been suspended, including Massimo De Santis, who was set to represent Italy at the World Cup. A total of 58 people – club officials, referees, FA officials, policemen and journalists – are being formally investigated. The two titles Juventus won in 2004-05 and 2005-06 could be stripped and they could find themselves relegated to Serie C1, the third division, while other unnamed clubs under investigation could all end up in Serie B. And, if reports in the Italian press are to be believed, it was orchestrated by Moggi, a former railway employee who became the most powerful man in Serie A.

The whole affair came to light almost accidentally, when magistrates in Rome began wire-tapping members of an illegal gambling ring in the summer of 2004. While the inquiry revealed these unlicensed bookmakers were congenital fantasists who claimed to have contacts and inside information they in fact did not possess, it also led them to bug Moggi’s phone for eight months, during which time he made or received around 100,000 calls (an average of 416 per day).

The transcripts of these conversations unveiled the sheer size of Moggi’s operation. There were no bribes or brown envelopes, the evil genius of the system lay in the fact that it was all about influence-peddling. Moggi is alleged to have essentially controlled Franco Carraro, the head of the Italian FA, and the two men charged with assigning referees, Pierluigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo. The phone taps show Moggi would freely discuss the referee assignments with them, effectively deciding which referee would get which game.

At the same time, it was made clear that a referee’s career would suffer if they made mistakes which damaged Juventus. They would be suspended or sent to officiate in Serie B. In one case, Moggi went even further, underscoring the degree of impunity he had acquired. Following a controversial 2-1 loss to Reggina, he burst into referee Gianluca Paparesta’s dressing room, berated him, then locked him inside before disappearing with the key. On the other hand, those that did Moggi’s bidding would be rewarded with prestigious matches and even spots in Uefa’s list of officials. And those officials who were deemed “untouchable” – like Pierluigi Collina and Roberto Rosetti – were generally kept away from Juve.

As a result, they generally received a helping hand from officials, both directly and indirectly. Teams who were due to face Juventus the following week were regularly hit with a hail of red and yellow cards, ensuring players who were one booking away from a suspension would miss out against the bianconeri. Indeed, during 2004-05, 25 players were suspended the week they faced Juve.

Moggi’s system was so refined that it was used to damage his enemies too. When Fiorentina returned to Serie A in the 2004-05 season, the Florence club had big plans for change. However, allegations claim Moggi saw the club as a threat and Fiorentina were systematically victimised by referees to the point that, as late as April 2005, they faced the threat of relegation.

The allegations also claim that wire-taps suggest there was a deal with Fiorentina officials, whereby the club would drop its campaign for reform in exchange for “better treatment” from referees. It’s unclear whether Fiorentina accepted, though the record books show that they won eight of a possible 12 points in their last four matches to avoid the drop, at a time when the Viola stopped talking about reform.

But that was just half of Moggi’s empire. He also controlled a huge chunk of the transfer market. In 2001, his son, Alessandro created a football agency called GEA World. Cleverly, his partners were the scions of some of the most powerful men in the Italian game: Chiara Geronzi (daughter of Cesare, the head of Capitalia, a bank which provides credit to a number of clubs), Francesca Tanzi (daughter of Calisto, the Parmalat supremo and former Parma owner), Davide Lippi (son of Marcello, current Italy coach), Gianmarco Calleri (son of Riccardo, former Torino owner), Andrea Cragnotti (son of Sergio, former Lazio owner) and Giuseppe De Mita (a former Lazio executive and son of Ciriaco, a former Italian prime minster).

GEA grew quickly to the point that it controlled some 200 players and 29 managers, soon becoming the transfer market’s true powerbroker. Clubs loyal to Moggi (including Siena, Reggina and Messina) enjoyed preferential treatment. Players were steered towards them and persuaded to sign on favourable terms, they took Juve players on loan whenever they liked and, when necessary, Moggi had a quiet word with the referees’ selectors. In exchange, they threw their support behind him at every opportunity.

Thus, when Juve – who had not won for eight games – faced Siena on the penultimate day of the 2005-06 season, they took on a side where seven of the 14 men who took the pitch were GEA clients, as were the manager and general manager. Unsurprisingly, the bianconeri were 3-0 up inside seven minutes.

The involvement of other Serie A clubs remains to be confirmed but if more clubs from the top tier are found to be involved they, like Juventus and other clubs in Moggi’s orbit, could find themselves relegated.

It is very much Year Zero in Italy, as they try to recover from the scandal, and come to realise that Andreotti was right: until they give you reason to believe otherwise, assume everyone is cheating.

21 May 2006
Gabriele Marcotti
http://www.sundayherald.com/55742

[Jasper]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Eile siis avaldati intervjuu, kus Moggi manas päeva mil kohtus Berlusconiga. Selle artikli põhjal ütles ta, et lindid andis üle Galliani, kes kartis oma tööpostist ilma jääda. Praeguseks on ta sellest intervjuust lahti öelnud.

Samal ajal Lippi kinnitati ikka peatreeneriks Rossi poolt.

Muuseas asi ongi nii, et Spordikohtul on õigus varem ning vähesemate vettpidavate tõenditega süüdi mõista. Juuni lõpuks(ei ole kindel selles) peaks vist FIGC või mingi organisatsion kinnitama klubid, kes hakavad eurosarjades mängima. Eeldatavalt peaks mingi otsus sellele eelnema. Nagu ka süüdistus.

EDIT: CL meeskonnad kinnitatakse siiski 27. juulil ja 31. maiks tuleb esitada mingi avaldus seoses Euro 2012-ga. See aga on nüüdseks minu silmis utoopia, et EM Itaalias toimub.

[Tanel]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Vot see on briljante pilt antijuve.com\'ilt



Kuid tänaste detailide kohaselt on Moggi blokeerinud Interit mängijate palkamisest.

The investigators said that the “business Giannichedda” was a “puzzle pre-built business” in which the agent of the player ( Mr Zavaglia ) and the Moggi ( father and son ) avoid to send the player to play with Inter and his ex-trainer Mancini and sent him to play with juve.
The investigators said that Moggi built “ an impenetrable wall between the player and all the rest” while the same President Claudio Lotito was sure to keep Giannichedda with S.S.Lazio and also Inter, that offered more than 1 mill for him, was sure to buy him !
All happened on January 25th 2005.
Moggi: I said to Zavaglia that Giannichedda has to avoid to sign with Lazio, so we’ll get him without to pay Lazio( a parametro zero )
Capello: Good...
Moggi: Then I’ll talk about this also with Papadopulo ( Lazio trainer of that time but under Gea control...) and Cesar don’t go to Inter untill June...
Two days after Luciano Moggi called Alessandro Moggi.
Luciano Moggi: You have to convince Giannichedda to come to Turin
Alessandro Moggi: there is Inter now that is offering 1 million ½ for him..
Luciano Moggi: We can’t lose this player if there are problems inform me and I’ll call him directly..
Alessandro Moggi: no...to lose him is impossible….
24 hours after.
Alessandro Moggi: Giannichedda said that will sign for juve only if we’’ll give him 1 million 200 …
Luciano Moggi: give me his number, I’ll cal him now...
The same day Moggi called the player offering 1 million and 100, Giannicheda was undecided so Moggi call Zavaglia to do “pressing” on him...
Alessandro Moggi: Franco ( Zavaglia, agent of Giannichedda ) you have to convince him, say to him that Inter will do a bad figure and that if he ‘ll go to juve is better...because for him is worst but we’ll gain 200.000 euro more.
At the end Giannichedda accepted the contract while the same Lotito was sure that the player will sign for Lazio. This is the interception between Lotito and the agent of the player:
Lotito; A Zava’ but when we’ll close the contract of Giannichedda ?
Zavaglia: President, when you want, we have only to meet to talk about it
Lotito: Eh, I\'m waiting, you said that there aren\'t problems...
Zavaglia: No problems, I was busy but now we’ll close all, stay quite
on February 10th.
Capello called Moggi worried because from newspapers is informed that other teams are interesting in Giannichedda.
Luciano Moggi: Don\'t worry, he has just signed for us....

[Jasper]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Muuseas sattusin ajaloolise päeva videole(ettevaatust Interistad!!!) ja selgus-Juve mängul Rodomonti ja Interi mängul Paparesta. Siiski Paparesta veel tollal vist Moggi kontrolli all ei olnud. Huvitav leid oli siiski.

[Tanel]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Algselt postitas Jasper


Muuseas sattusin ajaloolise päeva videole(ettevaatust Interistad!!!) ja selgus-Juve mängul Rodomonti ja Interi mängul Paparesta. Siiski Paparesta veel tollal vist Moggi kontrolli all ei olnud. Huvitav leid oli siiski.

Tänud... triljon aastat olen selle kohta videot oodanud ning otsinud. Kuigi just täna peab net tigu mängima.

[Jasper]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Kuna mu edit võib jääda märkamata siis kirjutan üle, et CL meeskonnad kinnitatakse siiski 27. juulil ja 31. maiks tuleb esitada mingi avaldus seoses Euro 2012-ga. See aga on nüüdseks minu silmis utoopia, et EM Itaalias toimub.

Täna/eile sai siis tugevaks jututeemaks väliskohtunike värbamine ning et Collina saaks kohtunike määrajaks(Näiteks toodi proffesionaal Markus \"Milani-värav-oli-määrustevastane\" Merk). Pensionilt kaasati uurimisse ka mingi kõvem säga, kes omal-ajal mingi poliitilise(\"clean hands\") skandaaliga tegeles. Mõndade allikate järgi võeti uurimise alla umbes kõik Juve üleminekud ja paluti vastutulemist teiste võistkondade poolt. Nimekiri oli väga pikk.

[Maarek]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Väike ülevaade Moggi võimalikest tegemistest seoses kohtunikega.

[J.R.I.M]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Algselt postitas Maarek


Väike ülevaade Moggi võimalikest tegemistest seoses kohtunikega.

Et sinuarust on see kõik Moggiga seotud, eriti ei usu, igalpool on kohtunike kes soosivad tugevamaid ja vilistavad pm nende \"kasuks\".

[Tanel]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Algselt postitas J.R.I.M

Algselt postitas Maarek


Väike ülevaade Moggi võimalikest tegemistest seoses kohtunikega.

Et sinuarust on see kõik Moggiga seotud, eriti ei usu, igalpool on kohtunike kes soosivad tugevamaid ja vilistavad pm nende \"kasuks\".

Ära ole naaivne. Moggi valis ise endale kohtunikud enamikeks mängudeks ning lisaks sellele orgunnis ka ta konkurentide mängudele sõbralike kohtunike. Mõni suluseis ja piiripeal penalti lipsab tõesti kõigile vahetevahel läbi, kuid see mida Juve on aastatega endale saanud on häbi lausa ning sellele tuli seletus paar nädalat tagasi välja. Ning vaadates seda videot võin ma veendunud olla, et mängijad teadsid väga hästi, mis Moggi teeb, sest muidu selliste asjade peale välja ei mindaks.

[Jasper]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Antud videos olid toodud välja siis situatsioonid, kus ei ole lihtsalt \"eksitud\" vaadatud, vaid täiesti mööda vaadatud. Aga nagu ma juba ütlesin, siis ükski nendest mängudest polnud mainitud 19-ses nimekirjas. Ma ei tea ka kui vanad need on, aga see Ronaldo situatioon on kuskil 97 või midagi. Tanel teab(otsib) seda kindlasti paremini.


Tobias Jones(\"Dark Heart of Italy\"-raamatu autor ma eeldan), timesonline

This political and financial involvement in football means that the actual game defies gravity. Only in Italietta is it possible to win three promotions in two seasons (Fiorentina). It’s never clear at the end of each season which division your team will play in next time round because no one’s quite sure where the chairman has gone: he could be in Santo Domingo (Gaucci), in prison (Cragnotti), on trial (Tanzi) or caught red-handed giving a suitcase of cash to a fixer (Preziosi).


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Liiga hea nagu minu meelest.

Igatahes Napoli lehed juba üürgavad, kuidas Juve, Viola ja Lazio kukuvad kolinal. Kardetavalt siis avaldatakse survet, et Napoli poiste tee oleks puhas.

Seda pean ka mainima, et kui ma kaagutasin, et Mediasetil on määratud trahvid Juve kukkumise korral siis ma ei teadnud, millest ma räägin. Nimelt on tegelik situatsioon selline, et on võimalus lõpetada leping eriklausliga või über rääkida. Peab mainima ka, et Mediaseti leping Juvega algab hoajast 2007/2008 ehk selleks ajaks saaksid nad Serie B-sse suundumise korral isegi tagasi tulla.

Rossi igatahes lubas, et järgnevad kümme päeva on kõige hullemad. Juurdlus on täies hoos ning arvatavasti siis kahe nädala pärast on materjal kogutud ja kohtutee.

[Tanel]

Vastus teemale \'Moggi-saaga\'

Algselt postitas Jasper


Antud videos olid toodud välja siis situatsioonid, kus ei ole lihtsalt \"eksitud\" vaadatud, vaid täiesti mööda vaadatud. Aga nagu ma juba ütlesin, siis ükski nendest mängudest polnud mainitud 19-ses nimekirjas. Ma ei tea ka kui vanad need on, aga see Ronaldo situatioon on kuskil 97 või midagi. Tanel teab(otsib) seda kindlasti paremini.

97/98! See mäng otsustas tiitli saatuse ning nagu ikka viimastel aastatel, on Gobbi tiitleid otsustavates mängudes ikka sõbraliku vilet saanud.