Eesti – Serbia (29. märts)

[Meintz]

Serbia koosseis

1 GK Bojan Jorgačević 12 February 1982 (age 29) 2 0 Gent
12 GK Željko Brkić 9 July 1986 (age 24) 3 0 Vojvodina
GK Bojan Šaranov 22 September 1987 (age 23) 0 0 OFK Beograd

6 DF Branislav Ivanović 22 February 1984 (age 27) 39 4 Chelsea
2 DF Pavle Ninkov 20 April 1985 (age 25) 4 0 Red Star Belgrade
18 DF Nenad Tomović 30 August 1987 (age 23) 3 0 Lecce
4 DF Milan Biševac 31 August 1983 (age 27) 4 0 Valenciennes
DF Nemanja Vidić 21 October 1981 (age 29) 53 2 Manchester United
20 DF Neven Subotić 10 December 1988 (age 22) 21 1 Borussia Dortmund
3 DF Aleksandar Kolarov 10 November 1985 (age 25) 18 0 Manchester City
5 DF Slobodan Rajković 3 February 1989 (age 22) 4 0 Vitesse
16 DF Ivan Obradović 25 July 1988 (age 22) 16 1 Real Zaragoza

MF Dejan Stanković (C) 11 September 1978 (age 32) 95 15 Internazionale
11 MF Nenad Milijaš 30 April 1983 (age 27) 21 4 Wolverhampton Wanderers
22 MF Zdravko Kuzmanović 22 September 1987 (age 23) 36 4 VfB Stuttgart
15 MF Radosav Petrović 8 March 1989 (age 22) 14 0 Partizan
14 MF Veseljko Trivunović 13 January 1980 (age 31) 2 1 OFK Beograd
MF Miloš Ninković 25 December 1984 (age 26) 15 0 Dynamo Kyiv
17 MF Miloš Krasić 1 November 1984 (age 26) 40 3 Juventus
19 MF Marko Mirić 26 March 1987 (age 23) 1 0 Spartak Zlatibor Voda
7 MF Zoran Tošić 28 April 1987 (age 23) 28 5 CSKA Moscow
8 MF Adem Ljajić 29 September 1991 (age 19) 2 0 Fiorentina
MF Milan Jovanović 18 April 1981 (age 29) 33 10 Liverpool

9 FW Marko Pantelić 15 September 1978 (age 32) 36 7 Olympiacos
19 FW Nikola Žigić 25 September 1980 (age 30) 53 20 Birmingham City
10 FW Miralem Sulejmani 5 December 1988 (age 22) 7 0 Ajax
19 FW Brana Ilić 16 February 1985 (age 26) 0 0 Vojvodina

[pelmeen10]

Sai ühe serblasega paar päeva tagasi räägitud viimase aja sündmustest ja üldse, kes ise elab Portugalis. Vb pakub mõnele huvi:
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I support supporters, meaning, the issue has been very much manipulated politically. The current president of the FFS has manipulated the events in Italy in the Italy-Serbia match. It´s said that he payed a bunch of hooligans to purpously make those incidents so the match is interrupted and all atention that way goes to the hooligans question. I´m not sure if you remember, but a few weeks earlier of that match, the national coach Radomir Antić was illegaly fired by the same president of Federation, and the public generally critisized that very much and was on Antic side. This way the attention went all towards the hooligans, and he (the stupid prsident) came out from this incient as the saviour of Serbian football and the fighter against hooliganism (when ironically he was the one that organised the incident...). The football in Serbia is owned by mafia, with the president of the federation as its head (or at least a very important member) and everything goes around making football pure bussiness for their pockets. For exemple, the guy issued a law which says that SuperLuga clubs are allowed to have maximally 4 foreign players! And why? Because that way the domestic players represented by his managers get more minutes to play, otherwise, clubs started to buy foreign players thatr were putting in shadow some of their players thus making them loose many when selling them. It´s totally stupid law because there were not so many foreign players anyway before and domestic players in Serbia will always be relatively good and hardly worse than the few foreigners that accept to come to Serbia. And it is specially stupid because he wants to rid the league of foreign players (the second league has a limit of only 2!) but on the other hand he wants to bring Brazilian Cléo to the national team!!! Limited foreigners in clubs, but foreigners in NT??? Shouldn´t be rather the other way around? Specially having in mind that Serbia has plenty of players for national team... Anyway, all this because an agent friend of his represents Cléo, and if he gets to play for Serbia his price will rise. See the capitalism in this? They only think for their pockets, and they don´t care at all for real football. The stadiums are worse than 20 years ago!!! Shouldn´t be on contrary? Now he exagerated the entire hooligans question just for him to earn points with UEFA president Platini, as the main ally in the fight against hooligans...
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Now, hooligans do exist in Serbia, and they are a real problem. It is quite fair to say that going to a more important football match in Serbia is dangerous. But, on the other hand a group of guys cheering for their club is worse than mafia thiefs that steal millions??? I´m not sure. I rather think that the hooligans are rather victims of the same corrupt system, and when other things get better (stadiums reconstructed, better results, when clubs bring better players...) the same hooligans will slowly desapear. In a society where the president of the federation does nothing when a president of some club (which is his friend) breaks the contract to some player and suffers none consequences for it, where the group of people steals all avalkiable money and invests nothing in local football, well unfortunatelly hooligans are really normal...
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I live in Portugal for a long time now, but I usually go for hollidays there and many times go to matches. I go mostly to the Partizan ones because that´s my favourite club, and because we have the worst hooligans. I personally think that hooligans are just stupid and generally bad, but on the other side hooligans and football have always been together. I wouldn´t like to go to a match and to seat next to nannies and children, if you know what I mean... But I definitelly think that football in Serbia has worse things that hooligans. And it is a country so rich in football talets...
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However, I think that there will be an eternal debate about if it is better to live in north European societies where everything is in "order" and "perfect" vs southern European societies where almost nothing is perfect and where people always fight and demand more from the system... I think both sides have good and bad sides.
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Serbia was much more prosperous country, specially between 1945-1990, that people think. I am from the capital Belgrade and life there in that period was quite good. We had a "open socialism" that was much better than the one under Soviet rule. We didn´t belonged neither to Warsaw Pact. People could travel to the west, we had concerts, resumingly everything was allowed except protesting against the governament. My parents used to go to USSR for bussiness reasons, and they knew well the hard times that people had there. Serbia (inside Yugoslavia) was quite different. Only that the war in the 1990s in Croatia and Bosnia first and Kosovo later had much bad impact to the country. Serbia had economic sanctions imposed by UN (read USA) for the entire decade, and included sports sanctions, meaning sport teams of Serbia couldn´t compete in any euro or world competitions! All this just after Red Star was European and world champion in 1991 and Serbia (still together with Montenero and named FR Yugoslavia)) was qualified with a excellent team to the EURO 92. It was not allowed to participate and Denmark (2nd place in group) went instead, and won! I mean, it doesn´t necesarily mean that we would have won, but... It was an excellent generation: Savicevic, Mijatovic, Jugovic, Mihajlovic, Stojkovic... And they were only allowed to return to cpompetition in 1998! already after their top of career. So, beside all the injustice that the wars were towards Serbs, in sports that was an incredible injustice for entire generation of excellent sportsman. And a incredible negative image came out for Serbia from all this.
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Now, we did had a president that was bad (Milosevic), but not so much because of the things he was acused of, but mostly because he stoled all countries money... As football curiosity, the first Army intervention in the Yugoslav wars can be considered to have happened in a Yugoslav league match between Croatian Dinamo Zagreb and Serbian Red Star. It was in Zagreb, and the match never ended. The Dinamo Zagreb–Red Star Belgrade riot. And one of the most notorious ways of revolting against Milosevic regime in the 1990s was in football stadiums where people could anonimously sing "Save the country and kill yourself, Slobodan, Slobodan!" (obviously in Serbian this rimed). Football hooligans were always very active and lede revolts against the state and polititians when needed. Their actions were troully important and even "historical"!
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Regarding the impossibility of fans of Serbian nt travelling to the matches will definitelly be good for oponents. It was another idea of owr stupid president of football federation that allegedly and ironically fights hooliganism... They could make mess and always make trouble. Many of them are ex wars soldiers and are really "bad-guys". It would be an ocasion for Estonia to archive qulification, because Italy will certainly pass, and we will most certainly fail this time. We are having a generational crisis anyway. It would be good to see Estonia in a competition, perhaps like Latvia did in Euro 2004 here in Portugal? The only player I know better is Konstantin Vassiljev that plays in Slovenia (formr Yugoslavia). I obviously know most of other players as well. If you menage to play good football altogether and make a cohesive team you really have a chance this time. I apologies for my teribly long posts here, but since you asked I felt like better telling you more than just simple answers.
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This guy came to be president of SFF because he was elected by the same people that are the bussinesman of the footballers, meaning, they are the one that earn money with players transfers. They just prefer to have this kind of president, that does everything they want, instead of some good president who would eventually fight for less corruption in football, better conditions for footballers and get rid of them all. Good people end up giving-up. Antic for exemple, didn´t wanted just to coach the national team, but with his experience and age (and importance) he wanted to modernise the entire Serbian football in all levels. Since that meant also making new laws and getting this "football exploting gang" out of the Federation, the FFS president made purpously bad ambient in the national team in the World Cup in South Africa, didn´t payed the promised bonuses for qualification, thus the players unhappy obviously didn´t play well. The players in protest went to party the night before the match against Germany, and they ironically won! But this entire episode bring the moal down of the team and they got eliminated. The president blamed Antic, and fired him, but we all knew that he fired him because he wanted seriously to get things better, but the president got scared and prefered to fire him and stay with his stupid football mafia winning millions from football transfers, and keeping the things the way they are now... sad.
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[pelmeen10]

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Most people think that this qualification for us is lost, so they will experiment new players (probably the ones the mafia wants to sell next), so you don´t have to worry about us. But be careful with Slovenia, they have the same football school as Serbia, and they can play quite a nice football.
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When we talk about this "football mafia" we are not talking about some street guys, killers, and that stuff, but they are more guys like politicians with a tye, bussinessman, some ex-footballers, some club presidents, but all of them together with the goal of making money from football. Well, making money is normal everywhere today, the difference is that this guys take all the money and invest nothing in local football. Clubs that could be rich don´t have money because they take it all. They make pressure for footballers to accept deals players possibly don´t want just for them to earn money... In one club, they don´t use the best players, but rather the ones they are interested to sell, having many times better players sitting in the bench! They don´t care about the results, only about their financial profit. And they all support eachother. That is how they manage to survive, and to have a president that supprot them.

[Ertai]

mina lugesin läbi, hea lugemine.

[marconius]

mina mitte,olen loru ja joogine.

[szandor]

Pikk jutt-hea jutt

Äärmiselt väärt lugemine tõepoolest. Võibolla liig off-topic, aga oktoobrikuise ülenädalase Balkani tripiga, mis päädis teadagi millega, sai osadelt eksjugoslaavlastelt sama juttu kuulda, mis kogu selle info tõestuseks on. Äärmiselt kahju, peab mainima, et tegelikult niivõrd sümpaatse piirkonna inimestega (k.a. nende jalgpalliga) on poliitilistel põhjustel nii läinud ja et sõjajärgse piirkonna paljusid tegevusi kontrollib maffia. Kohalikud (Horvaatias, Serbias ja Sloveenias) on äärmiselt arukad ja toredad inimesed, nii et kommentaariumides-foorumites esinev "faking peast sõgedad slaavi rahvad" ei pea paika. Erandeid leidub loomulikult igas maailma riigis, ka me omal Maarjamaal, eksole.
Kui kellelgi oli huvi pigem pikem tekst läbi lugeda, siis ehk on ka nädalivahetusel aega selline sari (taas) läbi vaadata - saatis üks vahva reisukaaslane balkanivallutusretkelt, kes ehk ka siin foorumis resideerub, ei teagi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Q636h2i18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heZXy8jn3yk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Y-rUtrnE8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfxUCY3RUEo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkEr807KHg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GseDLqbycYU&feature=related

[martn26]

Lugedes läbi tekkis mitu huvitavat mõtet:
1. jah meil on tõesti veel võimalus edasi pääseda, see mäng eestis on nüüd see, mis otsustab põhimõtteliselt hetkel juba asja ära, kas säilib võimalus või ei.
2. Jube kahju, väga kahju Serblastest, kuna tõesti temperamendiga rahvas nagu nad on ja tõesi hea klassiga mängijad nagu neil on ei saa kahjuks nautida kõike seda, milleks nad suutelised on ja mida neile võiks lubada.
3. See jalgpalliajaloo tähtsus meenutas mulle isikliult seda "Laulva revolutsiooni" tundeid.

Kokkuvõtteks loodame, et Eesti võidab, kuid loodame, et Serbias saadakse asjad kontrolli alla millalgil, ning sealse suure potentsiaaliga mängijad saavad oma teenitud võimalused.

[Raitsu]

Kes hümni laulab ?

[Assu2]

Koit Toome võiks laulda

Ootan mängu suure huviga.

[orbitaaljaam]

Koit Toome võiks laulda

Ma jääks sellisel juhul mängule hiljaks

[dnb]

Vahet pole kes laulab, peaasi et ei ürita ülemängida nagu mõni minevikus..

[Marek_T]

Hoidku issand Toome eest. Täiesti subjektiivne põlgus on mul selle nasaalvibratoga läbi peanaha iniseva "staari" vastu. Brrr...

[gianluca]

Kuigi Serbia jalgpallikoondise fänne Tallinnas toimuvale Euroopa meistrivõistluste valikmängule lubada ei tohiks, lastakse nad siiski sisse, kui nad on rahumeelsed ja ei tekita probleeme, selgitasid täna turvafirma Meeskond ja politsei esindajad.

http://www.ohtuleht.ee/419706

Politsei ja turvafirma andsid tänasel pressikonverentsil väga segaseid signaale. Turvafirma Meeskond juhatuse liige Eigo Sõster ütles, et Serbia lipp ning koondise toetaja särk on kindlasti üks selge tunnus, mille abil inimene staadioniväravas kinni peetakse. Politseimajor Einar Lillo ütleb samas, et väikese lipu ja särgiga staadionil istujat kindlasti välja ei visata.

Selliselt selekteerides nad küll ultraid ülesse ei leia.

Ajakirjanike seas jäi aga kumama mõte, et kui serblastest Ultrad, keda Lillo sõnul on Eestisse reisimas 30 või 40, oskavad turvakontrollis teha rahuliku ja viisaka toetaja nägu, lastakse Itaalias suure märuli korraldanud fännid siiski staadionile.

[Marek_T]

OK. Oletagem, et 40 serboultrat hiilivad ikkagi kuidagi väljakule. Mida neil sellises kvantiteedis seal korda saata õnnestub? Niipea, kui esimene püro lendab või poliitiline zhest tuleb, on neil sada miilitsat kraes kohe. Ei?

[dnb]

OK. Oletagem, et 40 serboultrat hiilivad ikkagi kuidagi väljakule. Mida neil sellises kvantiteedis seal korda saata õnnestub? Niipea, kui esimene püro lendab või poliitiline zhest tuleb, on neil sada miilitsat kraes kohe. Ei?

Oled kindel? Välismaalastega ollakse leebemad. Pronksiöö tuli juhuslikult meelde. Aga tegelikult mingeid probleeme ma ei karda vaid just pigem loodan et Eesti fännitribüüni vastasolev tühjaks ei jääks. Annavad energiat juurde. Bosnia nt.