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  • JuriM
    Eesti koondislane
    • Aug 2012
    • 11811

    #14836
    Ülimalt pikk lõim selgitamaks kuidas kogu see USA valitsuse protsess Ukraine abipakettidel on hetkel siiani toiminud ja mis käike on vaja läbi teha, selleks et mingeid otsuseid vastu võtta.

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    • JuriM
      Eesti koondislane
      • Aug 2012
      • 11811

      #14837

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      • Daz Booob
        naughty by nature
        • Sep 2003
        • 11838

        #14838
        Huvitav, kas Lauri Läänemetsa (ja sotside) arvates peaks Kostjalt võtma kaptenipaela? Koondisest välja jätma?
        see ei ole minu süü, et sa okaspuu oled

        "joon palju ma tahan, aga ikka ta ei saa minust aru"

        "Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple."

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        • JuriM
          Eesti koondislane
          • Aug 2012
          • 11811

          #14839
          Cool:

          I served in the Army Intelligence Corps for 8 years, did two tours to Afghanistan, three times advisory attache for the diplomatic mission to Poroshenko's Government in Ukraine, spent cumulatively two years at Lask AB, and two consecutive stints serving on Scaparotti's SACEUR staff operations in Belgium before moving to the private sector to advise on weapons procurement and performance for the AFU. I am also married to a Ukrainian woman dataurl020667.gif

          What you see is typical Nato public speech. At SACEUR they called it "UPOD". Under promise, over deliver. NATO is a political organization as much as it is military one and one of our playbooks was to always tell how poorly we would perform in a shooting war to try and convince the politicians in respective NATO nations to provide more money and funding.

          Part of my job was to provide accurate assessments of Western military capability in contrast to Russia, mine specifically was on the tactical fires level. You are right in that we were all wrong in 2022.

          All of us, collectively, were horrified at how poorly the Russians performed. Every bit of intelligence gathered on Russian doctrine, equipment performance, usage was just horribly miscalculated. We assumed that the Russian capability was about 3-3.5x what is was (we have a complex numerical system for calculating weapon platform effectiveness).

          Without breaking any OPSEC and NDA's on how bad the Russian Army actually is, I can highlight to you a few broad points regarding the sheer level of incompetency that the Russian Armed Forces is in:

          - Russian pilots calculate airtime on their frames differently to the west, whilst the hours remain high, the way their resource allocation and scheduling works means that pilots in the same squadron do not get a lot of air-time together. Which is why air support by Russia is very piecemeal and usually comes in pairs, they simply do not have the training intimacy to go beyond that.

          -complete lack of aerial ELINT and AWACS support. Complete lack of network centric warfare. AFU were sharing radar tracking data to LASK and the boys at LASK were pointing out that Frogfoots were running tactical bombing missions without any AWACS support, C&C assets for hundreds of miles, if at all. Guidance and mission planning was all done beforehand. NATO stopped doing this in the mid 1980's. We were all incredibly confused by this - how can a modern airforce operate without real time operational command and control? Well, turns out the estimations of VKS assets was completely off, because the satelitte images of those planes on runways were just old cannibalized parts that weren't able to fly. As of 2024, Russia in total has less than 10 flyable frames that can do C&C/AWACS.

          -The simple inability in 2022 (and still to this day) to handle 1970's 'Shoot and Scoot' Tactics employed with MLRS systems. This is all linked to the above; without eyes in the sky to pinpoint MLRS fires, it's very hard to launch counter batteries. This problem still exists today.

          -Their air defense systems, on paper, are excellent. The problem is any singular weapons platform needs to be integrated with the broader doctrine of its utility. S300/400 is a strategic level asset that requires layered defenses against tactical level threats. On paper, Russia had this. S3/400's supported by Pantsir's, Tor's and Buk's. Then we started getting reports of jerry-rigged Mig29's with old variants of HARMS somehow taking out S-400 control stations. Why? Because the complete lack of co-ordination between the control stations and the tactical level assets. Complete misuse of very good weapons platforms due to obsolete doctrines and a terrible standard of training on the air defense crews.

          -Tooth to tail ratio's are completely screwed. Russian BTG's operated with a 1:2.5 tooth to tail ratio which is absurd. NATO brigades operate on a 1:5 -> 1:9 tooth to tail ratio. This means that you sometimes have 10 soldiers responsible for somehow repairing and refuelling 20 armoured vehicles in a 24 hour period.

          -Russian Army prior to 2022 had a very nice, on paper, strategic doctrine. Gerasimov was the theorist who came up with the doctrine and it is called the "Gerasimov Way of War" in Russian. Yet, when the war broke out, the Russians did not follow their own, documented, doctrines. BTG's were not co-ordinating with one another, nor were they reacting in real time to the battlefield around them. This is a result of a combination of lack of training, lack of material, lack of non coms and a lack of ability of the Chief of Staffs to actually implement the doctrines they wish to employ.

          I could go on and on, but I get the feeling you're not going to listen and I'm also not going to risk going any deeper due to OPSEC.​
          Väike insight Venemaa armee võimekusest ja selle olematusest.

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          • Daz Booob
            naughty by nature
            • Sep 2003
            • 11838

            #14840
            Venelaste vastase liikumise tuvastamise kiirus on sõja algusega tõusnud ca 7 korda.

            Suured, lollid, võimekad mürskude tootjad.
            see ei ole minu süü, et sa okaspuu oled

            "joon palju ma tahan, aga ikka ta ei saa minust aru"

            "Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple."

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            • futbolidipaul
              U21
              • Aug 2003
              • 4404

              #14841
              Hmm. Ma olen kuulnud ja lugenud, et nende droonide võimekus on kasvanud ehk nad suudavad ka MLRSe juba leida paremini ja vastulööke anda. Et nad on ka sõja käigus arenenud. Lahingkogemus on ikka lahingkogemus.
              Lootus sureb viimasena, ütles usk ja tappis armastuse.

              My spell checking is second to nine!

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              • Andres.
                Eesti koondislane
                • Sep 2009
                • 2787

                #14842
                Kindlasti on venelased sõja käigus targemaks saanud, aga ma usun, et neid pärsib täitsa tuntavalt, et kogenud ohvitserid ja allohvitserid on väga raskesti asendatavad. Kuid eks nii kaua kui on lihtsat kahuriliha saata ja vene rahvas lepib ning jagub rakette, mürske, droone, siis kannatab veel palju kurja teha.

                Kui kellelegi huvi pakub, siis siin üks intervjuu ühe mõttekodalasega asendatavatest ja asendamatutes kaotustest (esimeses osas ka sanktsioonidest ja majandusest). Konteksti mõttes ehk tasub ka meeles pidada, et Venemaa majandus on üpris sarnases suuruses Hispaania omaga (Ansipi eilne näide Esimeses stuudios).

                Diplomaatia: András Rácz: Venemaa aeglane mürgistus

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                • Peeter I
                  Eesti koondislane
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 3106

                  #14843
                  Kas Tallinnas mitte polnud üks mõte ka abilinnapeasid harvendada, a jääb siis nii.

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                  • JuriM
                    Eesti koondislane
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 11811

                    #14844
                    Algselt postitanud kasutaja Peeter I poolt
                    Kas Tallinnas mitte polnud üks mõte ka abilinnapeasid harvendada, a jääb siis nii.
                    Peale valimisi ehk, hetkel oli see võimatu ja mõttetu isegi proovida.

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                    • Rudy
                      Eesti koondislane
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 2750

                      #14845
                      Iisrael vs Iraan. Droonid on õhus Islamistide poolt.

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                      • vendetta
                        INSURRECTION
                        • Dec 2001
                        • 3143

                        #14846
                        Tundub kogu komplekt olevat, droonid, tiibraketid ja ballistilised. Huvitav, kas need mullatöllakad tõesti on unes juba nii palju lõvikonserve näinud, et arvad sama karistamatult saavad pommitama hakata nagu tiblad Ukrainas...võib päris kalliks minna selline avantüür.

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                        • Daz Booob
                          naughty by nature
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 11838

                          #14847
                          Kõlab nagu suurema kaose tekitamise plaan.
                          see ei ole minu süü, et sa okaspuu oled

                          "joon palju ma tahan, aga ikka ta ei saa minust aru"

                          "Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple."

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                          • Mõnuagent 007
                            Bradolf Pitler
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 30425

                            #14848
                            Algselt postitanud kasutaja vendetta poolt
                            Tundub kogu komplekt olevat, droonid, tiibraketid ja ballistilised. Huvitav, kas need mullatöllakad tõesti on unes juba nii palju lõvikonserve näinud, et arvad sama karistamatult saavad pommitama hakata nagu tiblad Ukrainas...võib päris kalliks minna selline avantüür.
                            Kuulasin pool ööd neid toredaid sõjaekspertide või "sõjaekspertide" twitter-space ja üldiselt eeldati, et plaan oli selline:
                            * ründa Iisraeli
                            * Iisrael vastab inimohvritega vasturünnakuga.
                            * tee palju kisa, mingid äärmuswoke-idikad karjuvad, et Iraan on tubli.
                            * koondad välisdiasporaas toetust, koondad enda riigis rahulolematud enda režiimi taha
                            * ajatolla ja tema klemmid saavad sisepoliitilise võidu ja stabiilsemalt rahulolematuid maha lüüa.

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                            • Daz Booob
                              naughty by nature
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 11838

                              #14849


                              Kas tõesti ei leidu kedagi, kes tuleks välja plaaniga, mis kehtestab igale elanikule kuumakse?
                              see ei ole minu süü, et sa okaspuu oled

                              "joon palju ma tahan, aga ikka ta ei saa minust aru"

                              "Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple."

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                              • vaikiv mees
                                Eesti koondislane
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 6363

                                #14850
                                Bars in the streets of Tel Aviv were still busy despite Iran launching dozens of drones and missiles at Israel in a retaliatory attack.

                                Here's one university student describing the evening as a "usual night in Tel Aviv".

                                GEORGE: No, no, no! Nothing happens /-/ RUSSELL: Well, why am I watching it?
                                GEORGE: Because it's on TV RUSSELL: Not yet..
                                (Seinfeld, The Pitch)

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