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  • BCfey
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    Valencia president Salvio Otamendi agendi öeldu kohta:

    "Let's hear from Otamendi & not an intermediary that he wants to leave. After bring a club who pays min 50m at VCF terms"

    "VCF have no intention to sell Otamendi. It is a decision the player needs to take personally, but no-one have approached the club"

    "Valencia will by no means accept anything less than 50 million. It is what he has signed."

    "If Otamendi wants to leave he needs to publicly admit so."

    "This is pure strategy from the agent."

    "I remind you that he has 4 yers left on a contract. No-one has approached Valencia with an interest"

    "Mendes has not been involved in this transfer (Otamendi). The first contact was through Ayala, then I led negotiations with Porto"

    "Mendes vil not act in favor of a player and against Valencia"

    "This is a lack of respect for the club. It is unprofessional from the agent"

    "If the player is to leave it will be at our terms. If Otamendi leaves it is because we got what we want and have a better player"

    "Otamendi did tell me that if there was an offer that interested him he might want to leave. But there's no offer. VCF decide timing.
    Ehk siis võib suht kindel olla, et kui ManU argentiinlast sel suvel kätte tahab saada, siis peavad nad oma rahakotti ikka korralikult kergendama. Siin kohal tuletaks ka meelde, Salvio on president kellega läbirääkida pole sugugi kerge ja kes oskab mängijate eest iga viimasegi kui sendi välja pigistada (Soldado ~€30m ja Mathieu ~€20m hinnasildid ehtsad näited sellest). Ning kui vaja, võib klubi keskkaitsjast lihtsalt kinni hoida, arvesades et mehel 4 aastat veel lepingus täita.

    Siin tuleb arvestada seda, et Hispaania maksude ja väljaostuklauside süsteem on päris keeruline. Viimane neist ei tööta päris nii nagu enamik inimesi arvab, et ostja klubi käib välja klausis oleva summa ja mängijal on seejärel vaba voli nendega liituda. Siit saab Hispaania klauside kohta rohkem infot:


    A release clause is a clause which is triggered by the occurrence, or indeed non-occurrence, of an event. A clause based on the occurrence of an event would allow for transfer, normally for a stipulated amount, if the bid were made by a certain club. Say for example your 18 year old starlet is a boyhood Everton fan. He might insist on a clause allowing him to speak to them if they are interested, and force his current club to accept a bid of a certain amount. This was the case with Demba Ba and Joe Allen during their transfers to Chelsea and Liverpool. While the exact nature of either of these clauses was never made public, it was speculated that Ba was entitled to have the club accept offers over £7m for him, and Allen's clause named 5 clubs (including Liverpool) with whom Swansea were bound to deal. Players' contracts may also include release clauses which force their parent clubs' hand if they fail to qualify for the Champions League or are relegated.

    Spanish Buyout Clauses on the other hand, are quite different (listen closely, Football Manager fans!). These are a notional amount, included in the player's contract, stating what that player is worth to the selling club. We all know that post-Bosman, players are free to move at the end of their stipulated contract. (Why else would "SIGNS ON A 4-YEAR DEAL" be a relevant piece of information?) This is such an entrenched part of football now that it seems unbelievable we ever operated without it. Buyout and Release clauses aren't quite entrenched in the same way yet, so require a little explanation.

    First of all, meeting the clause isn't (always) enough. You still have to persuade the player to play for you. This mainly involves meeting his personal terms. This is often straightforward in at the top level, where agents walk into contract negotiations and ask for £100,000 a week without a blush.

    Now comes the tricky part, especially where clubs based outside of Spain are concerned. You see, these clauses are binding only with respect to other Spanish Clubs. If Atletico Madrid decide that Carlos Bacca of Sevilla is a good bet (he is), all they have to do is make this fact known to Sevilla, deposit the amount stipulated in his clause with the LFP (Liga Football Primera, the league's governing body) and, if Carlos is happy, off he pops to the Capital. If, on the other hand, Arsenal are interested in securing Carlos' services, then the matter is different.

    In THAT Case, the clause does not apply between clubs as it does in the case of an all-Spanish transfer. Instead, it applies between the player and his current club. Two things can then happen: the selling club can deal anyway (often there is a gentleman's agreement between club and player to this effect) and accept the offer. For tax reasons, this means accepting a little less than they are otherwise entitled to. No problem there, then. If the selling club plays hardball, things get a little tricky.

    If the selling club decides they don't want to sell, an impasse is reached. If they want the full value of the clause, they can insist that the buying club make an offer of the buyout clause + VAT. Obviously, this whacks somewhere in the region of 20% on the bottom line of the deal for the buyer. Still, they pays their money and they gets their man. However, this still requires the selling club to ACCEPT their offer.

    If they really want to play hardball, they can simply refuse to deal with the buying club in any way. In this case, it's the player's prerogative to get out of his contract using the clause. It's his contract, after all. The buying club are merely a 3rd party. How does he get out of it? By buying it out. How does he do that? Well, he deposits the value of the release clause with the league himself. Obviously, if this is tens of millions of euros, he's going to find that difficult. Even the handsomely-remunerated Leo Messi would struggle to meet his buyout clause.

    So what happens? Well, in practice, the buying club gives it to him. This was the case in the transfers of Javi Martinez to Bayern and Ander Herrera to Manchester United. Athletic Bilbao are stubborn as Donkeys. They refuse to play non-Basques and, as such, refuse to sell their best players, so hard are they to replace. Bilbao thumbed their nose at the offers from both of the titans attempting to buy their players. They even went so far as to tweet their refusal of United's offer!

    Both Herrera and Martinez had to deposit the value of their clause with the LFP, essentially turning themselves into free agents in the process – they had 'bought themselves out' of their contracts. Again, however, there are tax implications. When the money required to buy out the contract hits the player's account (or, more probably, that of the company he uses to manage his assets) it's liable to tax. Income tax is an eye-watering 52% for high earners in Spain. This means A) the Spanish Minister of Economy and Finance's eyes spin Looney Tunes-style and become € symbols and B) the buying club has to deposit more than twice the amount of the clause in the players account to pay the tax as well as the clause fee. Franz Beckenbauer once famously declared that Bayern would not get involved in the 'lunatic arms race' of the transfer market. With the Martinez transfer, it seems that they Bayern hierarchy are now prepared to pay what it takes to remain competitive at the top level.
    Nii et kui ManU läbirääkimistel Valencia eriti kettasse ajab, tuleb neil Otamendi eest €50m + 52% sellest summast välja käia ehk siis ~€76m.

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  • JuriM
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    Algselt postitas BCfey Vaata postitust


    Ehk siis, selle hooaja vaieldamatult parim keskkaitsja liigas (Pique kõrval) lahkub tõenäoliselt parematele rahamaadele. Sellest on muidugi La Liga fännina kahju, oleks tahtnud Valencia praegust koosseisu + suvised ostud uuel hooajal liigas ja CL-is lammutamas näha. Nüüd tuleb aga välja, et klubi peab argentiinlasele asendusmehe leidma, mis ei saa sugugi kerge ülesanne olema. Tema ja Mustafi on minu arvates peamine põhjus, miks Valencia see hooaeg üldse nii palju punkte teenis (võrdne nende läbi aegade parima tulemusega Benitezi käe all, kui nad 03/04 liiga kinni panid). Aga noh, vähemalt on tal päris kopsakas väljaostuklaus - €50m.
    Manchester United on kõige tõenäolisem ostja siis.

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  • BCfey
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    Täna liitus siis muidu Benficast laenul olev João Cancelo Valenciaga ametlikult. Täpset summat 20-aastase paremkaitsja ülemineku kohta ei avalikustatud, kuid osad allikad räägivad et see on kuskil €15m kandis. Seda hooaega aga silmas pidades ei ütleks, et antud summat noor mängumees väärt oleks. Arenemisruumi tal on.

    Selle üleminekuga on aga viimase aasta jooksul Portugalist Valenciasse kokku tulnud juba 5 mängijat (Enzo, Gomes, Cancelo, Rodrigo, Otamendi) ning tõenäoliselt kasvab see arv selle suvega veelgi arvestades, et klubi CLi jõudis (Gaitan on tõenäoliselt üks liitujatest). Ehk siis võib öelda, et superagent Jorge Mendes võtab oma sõbra Limi projekti Valencias väga tõsiselt ja teenib selle pealt ka kena kopika.

    Muidu, kõige tähtsam uudis mis täna Valenciast välja tuli oli muidugi see, mida Otamendi agent Eugenio López (seotud muidugi Mendesega) rääkis:

    "Nico told Salvo two months ago that he wants to leave VCF in the summer.

    I am surprised that Rufete (VFC's director of football) would say that Otamendi hasn't said he wants to leave. That is not true.

    Nicolás likes Valencia and the fans, but he's going to have a great professional option in order to improve.

    Jorge Mendes already knows that Nico wants to leave Valencia.

    Nico will do everything possible in order to leave.

    There are several conversations with several clubs who want Otamendi.

    The will of the player is important if there's no bid that values the buyout clause.

    There is no improved contract offer for Nico and he will not wait for one either.

    There is no pre-contract agreement with any club."

    Nicolás has not spoken in the press because what he has to say he has said where it needs to be said.

    It's Incredible that Rufete would say that Nico has said he doesn't want to leave. Or he's lying or communcation failure.

    Nico loves everything about Valencia, but faced with a real chance he'll do anything he can to leave.

    Nico doesn't say one thing and do something else.He has always said the same, but not in the press,but where it matters.

    There has never been any necessity for the club to lie about what Nico has said.
    Ehk siis, selle hooaja vaieldamatult parim keskkaitsja liigas (Pique kõrval) lahkub tõenäoliselt parematele rahamaadele. Sellest on muidugi La Liga fännina kahju, oleks tahtnud Valencia praegust koosseisu + suvised ostud uuel hooajal liigas ja CL-is lammutamas näha. Nüüd tuleb aga välja, et klubi peab argentiinlasele asendusmehe leidma, mis ei saa sugugi kerge ülesanne olema. Tema ja Mustafi on minu arvates peamine põhjus, miks Valencia see hooaeg üldse nii palju punkte teenis (võrdne nende läbi aegade parima tulemusega Benitezi käe all, kui nad 03/04 liiga kinni panid). Aga noh, vähemalt on tal päris kopsakas väljaostuklaus - €50m.

    Ning kui asendusmehest rääkida, siis võib klubi suvel ka Diego Alvesele uut varumeest otsida, kes mängus Almeriaga ACL vigastuse sai ning vähemalt 6 kuud väljakult eemal peab olema (Brasiilia eest ta Copa Americal mängida ei saa). Hetke varuväravavahiks on neil endine Celta puurivaht Yoel Rodríguez, kelle kohta ma osadelt Valencia fännidelt olen kuulnud, et nemad tema esitustega sel hooajal eriti rahul pole olnud.

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  • BCfey
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    Suur sündmus siis GIF vormis:



    Ja Bale-i löögi tõrje:



    Algselt postitas ElNino9 Vaata postitust
    väga nummi tiim ja Alves liiga parim väravavaht!
    Bravo, Oblak ja ka Kameni on minu arvates temaga samal tasemel. Üleüldse selget kandidaati sellele tiitlile La Ligas ei ole, nüüd kus Courtois Chelseas mängib ja Casillas oma parimate päevade hale vari on.

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  • ElNino9
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    väga nummi tiim ja Alves liiga parim väravavaht!

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  • BCfey
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    16 - Diego Alves has saved more penalties than any other goalkeeper in La Liga in the last 10 seasons. Hero.
    Tõepoolest, Diego oli tänase mängu MotM. Peale tema näitas aga Valencia kogu meeskonnaga, et suudab Realiga kõige kõrgemal tasemel rinda pista. Kui nad suvel mängijateturul paar nõrka kohta meeskonnas parandavad (ründaja, ääremängijad), siis on nad järgmiseks hooajaks tõsiseltvõetavad tiitlikandidaadid kõigil kolmel turnal.

    Ja kui kõik 5 La Liga tippu - Barca, Real, Atleti, Valencia, Sevilla - järgmisel hooajal CL-i peaks saama, siis ma julgen väita et see La Liga koeff Euroopas tõuseb päris mitmeks aastaks kättesaamatule kaugusele teistele riikidele.

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  • Staadium
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    Aitähh Alves. Maailmas nüüd paremuselt kolmas mees pennude ära võtmises see h.a. (5)

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  • Fabregas-
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    Aitäh ! Tegite super mängu, palju ei jäänud puudu kolmest punktist.

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  • BCfey
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    Gaya sõlmis siis lõpuks oma lepingu Valenciaga ära, andes tagasilöögi kõikidele tema kosilastele (Real).

    See on muidugi ka hea märk sellest, et klubi projekt on õiges suunas arenemas, kui meeskonna parimatest mängijatest kinni suudetakse hoida.

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  • ElNino9
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    Algselt postitas papagoi Vaata postitust
    Valencia on väga head mängu tegemas, aga üks rumalus mängu alguses ning muidugi headelt positsioonidelt eksimised ei luba paremat 0-1 kaotusseisust. Pealelööke on barcast poole rohkem tehtud, aga Bravo võttis penalti ära ja Alcacer tabas posti. loodetavasti teine poolaeg saadakse löögid võrku.
    kahju jap, enne sai Valencias peetud kohtumise highlightse vaadata ja ka seal oli Valencial rohkem võimalusi ja oldi paremad ning lõpus buskets 94min värava lõi, lihtsalt õnne pole :/

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  • papagoi
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    Valencia on väga head mängu tegemas, aga üks rumalus mängu alguses ning muidugi headelt positsioonidelt eksimised ei luba paremat 0-1 kaotusseisust. Pealelööke on barcast poole rohkem tehtud, aga Bravo võttis penalti ära ja Alcacer tabas posti. loodetavasti teine poolaeg saadakse löögid võrku.

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  • BCfey
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    Atletico:

    Malaga - Atletico

    Atletico - Real

    Deportivo - Atletico

    Real - Atletico

    Atletico - Elche

    Real:

    Real - Eibar

    Atletico - Real

    Real - Malaga

    Real - Atletico

    Celta - Real

    Barcelona:

    Sevilla - Barcelona

    PSG - Barcelona

    Barcelona - Valencia

    Barcelona - PSG

    Espanyol - Barcelona

    Valencia

    Valencia - Levante

    Barcelona - Valencia

    Valencia - Granada

    Arvestades, et nädalavahetusel Barca ja Real teineteisega vastamisi lähevad ning et nii nemad kui Atleti aprillis Euroopas mängivad, siis arvan et ei ole võimatu see, et Valencia oma praeguse vormiga ühe Barcelona/Realist (kui mitte mõlemad) järgneval kuul kinni püüab.

    Hetkel ollakse liidritest 8 punktiga maas, nädala lõpuks parimal juhul 6 punktiga. Kui nad järgnevas kolmes mängus (Elche, Villarreal, Bilbao) 9p kokku korjavad, siis võib aprillis liiga ülemine osa veel väga põnevaks minna.

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  • sepakas
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    Mis teema Valencial selle särgiesisega on? Juba eelmine kord kui neid mängimas sai nähtud tekkis see küsimus, et kas tõesti keegi pole nõus selle eest raha välja käima?

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  • BCfey
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    Selle nädalavahetuse liigavooru põnevuskohtumiseks on vaieldamatult täna kell 22:00 Vicente Calderonil toimuv Atleti - Valencia vastasseis.



    Nagu näha, siis tabelis lahutab neid ainult 1 punkt. Simeone poisid on kodus küll kindlad favoriidid, kuid Nuno Valencia on see hooaeg muljetavaldavas hoos olnud. 25-st liigamängust 53 punkti on klubi rekord, nii hästi ei mänginud nad isegi Rafa Benitezi käe all (51p 25-st), kui nad 03/04 liiga kinni panid. Samuti on neil liiga paremuselt teine kaitse (neist vähem väravaid sisse lasknud ainult Barca) ning koos Lucho meeskonnaga on nad ka selle hooaja teises pooles kõige rohkem punkte kokku korjanud (15).

    Oktoobris Mestallal maha peetud kohtumises jäi mäletavasti 3:1 peale Valencia:



    Kui Valencia meistritelt kõik 3 punkti täna kätte saama peaksid, siis liiguvad nad liigaliidritest kas siis 5 või 6 punkti kaugusele, vastavalt millise tulemuse Barca täna Rayo vastu saab.

    Mängijatest ei tee Atleticol kindlasti kaasa Saul, kes on vigastatud, ning Miranda ja Griezmann, kes on mängukeelu all. Valencial oli kahtluse all Paco Alcáceri ning Otamendi osalemine, kuid mõlema nimed olid siiski mängukoosseisus eilseks olemas.

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