Manchester United FC

[nimastain]

Oeh, mul on väga kahju, et McTominay lahkub. Ja 100% nõus Plastic'uga, et enne võiks ca 10 meest lahkuda. Ning kogu austuse juures kaasfoorumlaste suhtes, kui keegi tuleb ütlema, et mees pole tiitlivõitmise materjal, siis mulle indikeerib see seda, et pole nähtud, kuidas ManU 2000ndatel ja 10/11 ning 12/13 hiljem tiitleid võitis. Ja siin McTominay sugused hingestatud mängijad on nii olulised (P.Neville, N.Butt, Park J-Sung, OGS - tegemist oli siiski peamiselt vahetusmehega, va 1-2 hooaega).

Ole nüüd, 2000 aastatel oli teine jalgpall ka veits. Ilmselt 25 aastat tagasi oleks McT veel parem mängija olnud.

No Park, OGS ja Butt jne. on suht legendid, pole isegi võrreldav McT. Peale tahtmise oli neil oma positsioonil väga hea tase.

[JuriM]

Oeh, mul on väga kahju, et McTominay lahkub. Ja 100% nõus Plastic'uga, et enne võiks ca 10 meest lahkuda. Ning kogu austuse juures kaasfoorumlaste suhtes, kui keegi tuleb ütlema, et mees pole tiitlivõitmise materjal, siis mulle indikeerib see seda, et pole nähtud, kuidas ManU 2000ndatel ja 10/11 ning 12/13 hiljem tiitleid võitis. Vb olen täiesti teise lähenemisega, aga minu jaoks võidetakse tiitleid McTominay suguste mängijatega, kuid veelgi parem näide (mida vist viimased 10a kõigile olen öelnud), on John O'Shea. Kes ei tea kes ta on, siis soovitan vaadata youtube highlightse. Tegemist oli super squad playeriga, kes liialdamata mängis kõik positsioonid, sh legendaarne mängu lõpp väravas, kui ka lõi olulisi väravaid. Mina, ja usun, et ka paljud teised, on valmis paar ManU tiitlit kirjutama tema nimele.

Jah, on vaja tugevat 11, kuid just need mängijad 12 - 16 on need, mis teevad tugevast võistkonnast tiitlipretendendi. Pika hooaja jooksul on piisavalt vigastusi, ja siis on küsimus, kuidas squad playerid üles astuvad. Ja siin McTominay sugused hingestatud mängijad on nii olulised (P.Neville, N.Butt, Park J-Sung, OGS - tegemist oli siiski peamiselt vahetusmehega, va 1-2 hooaega). Muidugi saan aru, et McTominay soovis rohkem mänguaega, ja kui klubi otseselt tiitlile ei pretendeeri, on arusaadav, et selliseid soove on rohkem (tiitlipretendendil on alati lihtsam squad playereid õnnelikuna hoida).

Ehk oleks pooltel ManU meestest ka sellised munad ja hingestatus kui McTominay'l, oleks ManU kindel top3 iga hooaeg. Võtan iga kell ja päev ennem mehe, kelle oskused on natuke halvemad, aga sisemine põlemine ja tahtmine on, kui Rashfordi, kellel tundub olevat mingi kihlvedu, mille võitmiseks peab ta olema õnnetu näoga, tegema õnnetuid otsuseid ja keelduma tagasi töötamast.

John O'Shea on Legend, aga kahjuks tänapäeval Premmis sellise tehnilise pagasiga pole midagi teha - ainult võitlusliku mänguga tiitleid enam ei võideta. Nüüd on vaja meeskonda kes oleks stabiilselt suuteline 90-95 punkti koguda, vähemalt nii kaua kuni see City veel konkurentsis on, ja selleks on vaja sügavust ja kvaliteeti rohkem kui vaid "hingega" mängijaid. + Kahjuks on meie klubi ka pikalt olnud turul kohutav, mis tähendab, et iga milli mis me sellise akadeemia mängija müügiga teenime on kulla hinnaga.

[-mirko-]

Oeh, mul on väga kahju, et McTominay lahkub. Ja 100% nõus Plastic'uga, et enne võiks ca 10 meest lahkuda. Ning kogu austuse juures kaasfoorumlaste suhtes, kui keegi tuleb ütlema, et mees pole tiitlivõitmise materjal, siis mulle indikeerib see seda, et pole nähtud, kuidas ManU 2000ndatel ja 10/11 ning 12/13 hiljem tiitleid võitis. Vb olen täiesti teise lähenemisega, aga minu jaoks võidetakse tiitleid McTominay suguste mängijatega, kuid veelgi parem näide (mida vist viimased 10a kõigile olen öelnud), on John O'Shea. Kes ei tea kes ta on, siis soovitan vaadata youtube highlightse. Tegemist oli super squad playeriga, kes liialdamata mängis kõik positsioonid, sh legendaarne mängu lõpp väravas, kui ka lõi olulisi väravaid. Mina, ja usun, et ka paljud teised, on valmis paar ManU tiitlit kirjutama tema nimele.

Jah, on vaja tugevat 11, kuid just need mängijad 12 - 16 on need, mis teevad tugevast võistkonnast tiitlipretendendi. Pika hooaja jooksul on piisavalt vigastusi, ja siis on küsimus, kuidas squad playerid üles astuvad. Ja siin McTominay sugused hingestatud mängijad on nii olulised (P.Neville, N.Butt, Park J-Sung, OGS - tegemist oli siiski peamiselt vahetusmehega, va 1-2 hooaega). Muidugi saan aru, et McTominay soovis rohkem mänguaega, ja kui klubi otseselt tiitlile ei pretendeeri, on arusaadav, et selliseid soove on rohkem (tiitlipretendendil on alati lihtsam squad playereid õnnelikuna hoida).

Ehk oleks pooltel ManU meestest ka sellised munad ja hingestatus kui McTominay'l, oleks ManU kindel top3 iga hooaeg. Võtan iga kell ja päev ennem mehe, kelle oskused on natuke halvemad, aga sisemine põlemine ja tahtmine on, kui Rashfordi, kellel tundub olevat mingi kihlvedu, mille võitmiseks peab ta olema õnnetu näoga, tegema õnnetuid otsuseid ja keelduma tagasi töötamast.

[nimastain]

Jätame need skisopostitused kõrvale nüüd ja räägime manu fännid, kas keegi McTominayd igatsema ka jääb? Tõsine tööhobune kes on olnud klubis kauem kui rashford (mul polnud aimugi et ta on vanem kui Rashford tänaseni).

Tore, et tuli. Veel toredam, et ära läheb. Kahjuks pole kutt tiitlivõitmise materjal, kuigi nagu mainitud siis hea mentaliteediga. Edu ja jaksu uutel radadel!


Saaks veel mingid sanchod, rashfordid, maguired, casemirod, eriksenid ka kuskile saata ja asendada, oleks täitsa arvestatav.

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Jätame need skisopostitused kõrvale nüüd ja räägime manu fännid, kas keegi McTominayd igatsema ka jääb? Tõsine tööhobune kes on olnud klubis kauem kui rashford (mul polnud aimugi et ta on vanem kui Rashford tänaseni).

MekTorminaator liitus klubiga enne kui seda tegi Rooney või Ronaldo.

Igatsema jääb kindlasti. Seda võtmes, et tegemist on mängijaga, kes 5 aastaselt klubisse tuli ning terve elu siin veetnud. Seda austuse ja draamadeta. Kõrgemale tasemele jõudmiseks praeguses süsteemis ei ole kasulik, eriti kui saab 30M kasumireale kirjutada. Kahju, et tase, oskused või sobivus joonisega ei olnud mentalideediga võrdväärsed. Klubis on kahe käe sõrmedel mängijaid, kellest raha ja taustsüsteemi arvesse mitte võttes loobuks enne teda.

[Reina]

Jätame need skisopostitused kõrvale nüüd ja räägime manu fännid, kas keegi McTominayd igatsema ka jääb? Tõsine tööhobune kes on olnud klubis kauem kui rashford (mul polnud aimugi et ta on vanem kui Rashford tänaseni).

[JuriM]

"Last season saw us play some of the most tactically naive football I have ever seen from a top team. There was no progression at all in terms of getting better and more coherent as the season wore on. We completely changed style for the last few games, which got us over the line in the FA cup and saved Ten Hag’s job. But an inch the wrong way in the semi’s, and Coventry would’ve knocked us out and we wouldn’t be here talking about Ten Hag today. A margin that fine for success, when the measurements of failure were overwhelming, really shouldn’t have been enough to keep him employed here.

Despite being massively impressed with Ineos so far, I heavily disagreed with the decision to keep Ten Hag, as I have never seen anything from him as United coach that suggests he is even remotely good enough to lead this club. The way we have started the season is depressingly predictable. With the squad of players he has, and the time he has had to work with them, and the support he’s received, he simply should be doing so much better.

Personally, I think losing 7-0 to Liverpool should be an unsurvivable event for any United manager, bar Ferguson or Busby. If Real lost 7-0 to Barca, that coach is done. Pure and simple. Likewise Bayern against Dortmund or Milan vs Inter. But….he survived….ok. But then last season, the statistics for our performance with a record number of defeats, goals conceded, shots conceded, the exceptionally low goal return, shocking goal difference, record low PL finish, and just generally shocking performances, should always have been enough to move on from Ten Hag. Im not sure what rational was in place to give this man more time. I just don’t see it.

He doesn’t play good football, he’s a dreadful tactician, he doesn’t know how to set a team up, his team is boring and predictable, he’s terrible at rotating….the only good thing he’s done is the promotion of youth. People will point to the two trophies in two years, but when you measure where we are against the best sides - in the league and Europe - then he has us going backwards.

I really hope he succeeds, because I hate changing managers during the season but absolutely nothing about the guy gives me any confidence at all that he knows how to manage this team. He just isn’t good enough. We will lose a lot of games this season. Just like we did last season, because if we get even a couple of key injuries, the wheels will completely fall off. The system he’s put in place is so flimsy that it really doesn’t hold up to any pressure except under the absolute optimal circumstances, and that just isn’t good enough.

If he goes on to have a good season this season, I will happily eat my words. Happily. Nothing I would rather be right now than wrong. This is also the last I’m going to say on the subject, because I can’t do another whole season of saying the manager is terrible. It becomes toxic and I just have better things to do with my life. I already know that this is a season where my investment in the team, through time and energy, will be limited. United losing in limp circumstances really ruins my weekend, as it genuinely emotionally upsets me. United losing is something I can tolerate, and look to bounce back from, but United losing in predictable and limp fashion just drains me of any realistic hope of something better to come. It’ll just be another yo-yo season with a man in charge who is massively out of his depth.

The fact that every friend I have who supports a rival club was celebrating when we kept Ten Hag, tells you all you need to know about how the world views this man’s capabilities. It’s just known that we will be incoherent, naive, and have a soft underbelly. Ripe for a few thrashings, and all in all largely irrelevant in the picture of the big prizes.

People talk about signings way too much. While recruitment is very important, the ultimate pinnacle of performance, the tip of the spear, is coaching. It’s getting the most out of what you have and creating something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Ten Hag has never done that at United. He’s gotten less than the sum of its parts, and never shown any sort of thinking that makes us a genuinely difficult opponent for any team to face. Everyone who comes up against us fancies their chances, and with good reason. We are very poorly coached, with a baffling array of non-sensical instructions given to our players. Predictable going forwards, and open and lax in defence. Signing Ugarte or Pele isn’t going to make an appreciable difference, because the coaching is just fundamentally flawed. There are so many managers out there getting so much more out of so much less. I can only imagine what an Alonso or Emery would get out of this squad. A coherent football team for a start."


Ei tundu eriti Liverpooli fänni jutuna. Kahe jalaga maas oleva inimese mõtted, kes hoolib ja on mures.

Ma ei usu, et Chat GPT loodi selleks, et sellist asja toota.

[-21-]

copysid siia mingi enesetapuäärel ManU fänni teksti. Tal on tema arvamus, kellegi teisel on mingi kolmas arvamus, mul neljas, edasi?

Ega mina ei palugi kõikidel objektiivselt jalkat analüüsida. ManU fänn ma pole, enesetapuäärel ka mitte, aga ometi tundsin seda lugedes, kuidas ma samu mõtteid peas keerelnud olen. Ja ma olen kindel, et ma pole ainuke non-Manu mees selle liiniga. Tore näha lihtsalt, kuidas mõni suudab vahelduseks oma fänniprillid eest ära võtta ja asju näha nii, nagu nad päriselt välja paistavad. Mulle pakub see lihtsalt meelelahutust.

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Varasemalt on hammustanud mingi äkkiviha mida oled ladunud siin erinevate kasutajate peale ja mis muudab, sealt võiks ometigi kord välja paista mingi ettenägelik analüüsivõime, ilma et sa saaksid ainult rääkida sellest mis on juba toimunud/olnud/tehtud/minevik.

no mi eskuusi.

edaspidi soovitan märgata seal, kus viga näed laita. Hiljem olematus olukorras selga lennata ka imelik veidi.

[nimastain]

"Last season saw us play some of the most tactically naive football I have ever seen from a top team. There was no progression at all in terms of getting better and more coherent as the season wore on. We completely changed style for the last few games, which got us over the line in the FA cup and saved Ten Hag’s job. But an inch the wrong way in the semi’s, and Coventry would’ve knocked us out and we wouldn’t be here talking about Ten Hag today. A margin that fine for success, when the measurements of failure were overwhelming, really shouldn’t have been enough to keep him employed here.

Despite being massively impressed with Ineos so far, I heavily disagreed with the decision to keep Ten Hag, as I have never seen anything from him as United coach that suggests he is even remotely good enough to lead this club. The way we have started the season is depressingly predictable. With the squad of players he has, and the time he has had to work with them, and the support he’s received, he simply should be doing so much better.

Personally, I think losing 7-0 to Liverpool should be an unsurvivable event for any United manager, bar Ferguson or Busby. If Real lost 7-0 to Barca, that coach is done. Pure and simple. Likewise Bayern against Dortmund or Milan vs Inter. But….he survived….ok. But then last season, the statistics for our performance with a record number of defeats, goals conceded, shots conceded, the exceptionally low goal return, shocking goal difference, record low PL finish, and just generally shocking performances, should always have been enough to move on from Ten Hag. Im not sure what rational was in place to give this man more time. I just don’t see it.

He doesn’t play good football, he’s a dreadful tactician, he doesn’t know how to set a team up, his team is boring and predictable, he’s terrible at rotating….the only good thing he’s done is the promotion of youth. People will point to the two trophies in two years, but when you measure where we are against the best sides - in the league and Europe - then he has us going backwards.

I really hope he succeeds, because I hate changing managers during the season but absolutely nothing about the guy gives me any confidence at all that he knows how to manage this team. He just isn’t good enough. We will lose a lot of games this season. Just like we did last season, because if we get even a couple of key injuries, the wheels will completely fall off. The system he’s put in place is so flimsy that it really doesn’t hold up to any pressure except under the absolute optimal circumstances, and that just isn’t good enough.

If he goes on to have a good season this season, I will happily eat my words. Happily. Nothing I would rather be right now than wrong. This is also the last I’m going to say on the subject, because I can’t do another whole season of saying the manager is terrible. It becomes toxic and I just have better things to do with my life. I already know that this is a season where my investment in the team, through time and energy, will be limited. United losing in limp circumstances really ruins my weekend, as it genuinely emotionally upsets me. United losing is something I can tolerate, and look to bounce back from, but United losing in predictable and limp fashion just drains me of any realistic hope of something better to come. It’ll just be another yo-yo season with a man in charge who is massively out of his depth.

The fact that every friend I have who supports a rival club was celebrating when we kept Ten Hag, tells you all you need to know about how the world views this man’s capabilities. It’s just known that we will be incoherent, naive, and have a soft underbelly. Ripe for a few thrashings, and all in all largely irrelevant in the picture of the big prizes.

People talk about signings way too much. While recruitment is very important, the ultimate pinnacle of performance, the tip of the spear, is coaching. It’s getting the most out of what you have and creating something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Ten Hag has never done that at United. He’s gotten less than the sum of its parts, and never shown any sort of thinking that makes us a genuinely difficult opponent for any team to face. Everyone who comes up against us fancies their chances, and with good reason. We are very poorly coached, with a baffling array of non-sensical instructions given to our players. Predictable going forwards, and open and lax in defence. Signing Ugarte or Pele isn’t going to make an appreciable difference, because the coaching is just fundamentally flawed. There are so many managers out there getting so much more out of so much less. I can only imagine what an Alonso or Emery would get out of this squad. A coherent football team for a start."


Ei tundu eriti Liverpooli fänni jutuna. Kahe jalaga maas oleva inimese mõtted, kes hoolib ja on mures.

copysid siia mingi enesetapuäärel ManU fänni teksti. Tal on tema arvamus, kellegi teisel on mingi kolmas arvamus, mul neljas, edasi?

[Wingback]

Mis sind täpselt hammustas ja kust?

Mida mu ennustus muudab?

Varasemalt on hammustanud mingi äkkiviha mida oled ladunud siin erinevate kasutajate peale ja mis muudab, sealt võiks ometigi kord välja paista mingi ettenägelik analüüsivõime, ilma et sa saaksid ainult rääkida sellest mis on juba toimunud/olnud/tehtud/minevik.

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Mine tee Premmi ennustus ära ja lisa oma kommentaarid juurde! Tühi takkajärgi parastaja ja räuskaja, mine pane veidi allkirju oma mõtetele. Ole vahelduseks ka veidi pikema emm'iga kui delfikommar.

Mis sind täpselt hammustas ja kust?

Mida mu ennustus muudab?

[Wingback]

Anna märku juhul kui jätkuvaid küsimusi.

Mine tee Premmi ennustus ära ja lisa oma kommentaarid juurde! Tühi takkajärgi parastaja ja räuskaja, mine pane veidi allkirju oma mõtetele. Ole vahelduseks ka veidi pikema emm'iga kui delfikommar.

[Wingback]

He doesn’t play good football, he’s a dreadful tactician, he doesn’t know how to set a team up, his team is boring and predictable, he’s terrible at rotating….the only good thing he’s done is the promotion of youth. People will point to the two trophies in two years, but when you measure where we are against the best sides - in the league and Europe - then he has us going backwards.;

Oleme siin sarnast juttu rääkinud pikalt, aga kuulake siis omasid või ärge isegi neid kuulake, nagu praegu selgus. Olete nagu olete.

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Mis argumendid seal on siis? Mu arust ainukesed kes irvitavad on live fännid, aga need ongi veits sellised “teistsugused”.

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"Last season saw us play some of the most tactically naive football I have ever seen from a top team. There was no progression at all in terms of getting better and more coherent as the season wore on. We completely changed style for the last few games, which got us over the line in the FA cup and saved Ten Hag’s job. But an inch the wrong way in the semi’s, and Coventry would’ve knocked us out and we wouldn’t be here talking about Ten Hag today. A margin that fine for success, when the measurements of failure were overwhelming, really shouldn’t have been enough to keep him employed here.

Despite being massively impressed with Ineos so far, I heavily disagreed with the decision to keep Ten Hag, as I have never seen anything from him as United coach that suggests he is even remotely good enough to lead this club. The way we have started the season is depressingly predictable. With the squad of players he has, and the time he has had to work with them, and the support he’s received, he simply should be doing so much better.

Personally, I think losing 7-0 to Liverpool should be an unsurvivable event for any United manager, bar Ferguson or Busby. If Real lost 7-0 to Barca, that coach is done. Pure and simple. Likewise Bayern against Dortmund or Milan vs Inter. But….he survived….ok. But then last season, the statistics for our performance with a record number of defeats, goals conceded, shots conceded, the exceptionally low goal return, shocking goal difference, record low PL finish, and just generally shocking performances, should always have been enough to move on from Ten Hag. Im not sure what rational was in place to give this man more time. I just don’t see it.

He doesn’t play good football, he’s a dreadful tactician, he doesn’t know how to set a team up, his team is boring and predictable, he’s terrible at rotating….the only good thing he’s done is the promotion of youth. People will point to the two trophies in two years, but when you measure where we are against the best sides - in the league and Europe - then he has us going backwards.

I really hope he succeeds, because I hate changing managers during the season but absolutely nothing about the guy gives me any confidence at all that he knows how to manage this team. He just isn’t good enough. We will lose a lot of games this season. Just like we did last season, because if we get even a couple of key injuries, the wheels will completely fall off. The system he’s put in place is so flimsy that it really doesn’t hold up to any pressure except under the absolute optimal circumstances, and that just isn’t good enough.

If he goes on to have a good season this season, I will happily eat my words. Happily. Nothing I would rather be right now than wrong. This is also the last I’m going to say on the subject, because I can’t do another whole season of saying the manager is terrible. It becomes toxic and I just have better things to do with my life. I already know that this is a season where my investment in the team, through time and energy, will be limited. United losing in limp circumstances really ruins my weekend, as it genuinely emotionally upsets me. United losing is something I can tolerate, and look to bounce back from, but United losing in predictable and limp fashion just drains me of any realistic hope of something better to come. It’ll just be another yo-yo season with a man in charge who is massively out of his depth.

The fact that every friend I have who supports a rival club was celebrating when we kept Ten Hag, tells you all you need to know about how the world views this man’s capabilities. It’s just known that we will be incoherent, naive, and have a soft underbelly. Ripe for a few thrashings, and all in all largely irrelevant in the picture of the big prizes.

People talk about signings way too much. While recruitment is very important, the ultimate pinnacle of performance, the tip of the spear, is coaching. It’s getting the most out of what you have and creating something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Ten Hag has never done that at United. He’s gotten less than the sum of its parts, and never shown any sort of thinking that makes us a genuinely difficult opponent for any team to face. Everyone who comes up against us fancies their chances, and with good reason. We are very poorly coached, with a baffling array of non-sensical instructions given to our players. Predictable going forwards, and open and lax in defence. Signing Ugarte or Pele isn’t going to make an appreciable difference, because the coaching is just fundamentally flawed. There are so many managers out there getting so much more out of so much less. I can only imagine what an Alonso or Emery would get out of this squad. A coherent football team for a start."


Ei tundu eriti Liverpooli fänni jutuna. Kahe jalaga maas oleva inimese mõtted, kes hoolib ja on mures.